Proofing layouts to an Epson printer (driver, not RIP)

Much has been written about this. I wonder if anything has been resolved.
IDCS3
OSX 10.5.2
(same results w/ OSX 10.4.11)
Here's the situation:
IDCS3 document containing CMYK images, black type, PMS ink objects.
When attempting to proof the document to an Epson 3800, I get very screwy color in both the CMYK images and the PMS simulations. The color of the images looks similar to what you'd see by assigning the Epson profile to the CMYK files - way dark, way muddy, etc. There is a connection that is not being made in IDCS3 when it sends the info to the printer.
Here's the set-up in the IDCS3 print dialog:
General:
Printer: Epson 3800
Output:
Color: Composite RGB (the only option available - due to the RGB output space)
Color Management:
Print: Document
Options: Let ID Determine Color
Printer Profile: Pro38 PLPP (the correct output profile for the Epson/paper combo)
All the correct settings are used in the Epson driver - media type, no color adjustment, etc.
BTW, I get the same result when selecting "Proof" under Color Mgmt/Print
The CMYK image files proof perfectly and accurately out of Photoshop.
I used to print everything out of ID back in the 2.0 days. No problem.
Any thoughts before I revert to the 20th century?

>Are you saying that the standard set of profiles I have (both "canned" and custom) will not work with InDesign? That doesn't make sense.
No it doesn't but that is the way Adobe did it. You have to make your profiles from targets printed from ID with Color Settings to "Emulate Adobe Indesign 2.0 CMS Off" and that is just the way it is.
>What is that difference? I'm printing from a MacPro.
IDCS3 on the MacPro prints darker and with more of a bluish cast then IDSC3 on a G5. As it is I have to have a paper/printer profile for PSCS3 Intel, PSCS3 PPC, IDCS3 Intel, IDCS3 PPC. That is four profiles for the same paper same printer. Oh yes and one more for Canon iPF 16-bit plugin.
It isn't much fun but everything matches this way.

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