Proposed Lion AutoSave and iCloud paradigms seem wrong?

Although none likely want their document edits-in-process to be lost upon an application crashing or having to temporarily log off the computer or close apps for some reason, being much nicer to simply resume editing from wherever one was prior to any potentially disrupting event; however doubt most want the current version of a document replaced with edits-in-process unless specifically requested to be saved for example. Thereby strongly suspect a much better paradigm would be to upon any modification of a current document, to simply begin autosaving it as a revision'x of the current document, until the user specifically requests it be saved as the current document, (i..e. DocumentName => (upon an unsaved edit) DocumentName'1 => (upon save) DocumentName (with the previous saved document then being accessible as a prior version).
And with respect to iCloud, it seems much more sensible to maintain the current folder/package/file paradigm, and enable any folder/package/file to be aliased to "the cloud", whereby all such folders/packages/files may be accessed and synced-to by any with permission, and be similarly logically placed within their respective local logical folder/package/file storage directories as desired, and accessed by applications as any other folder/package/file would be. I see no reason for applications to require users to treat data which may be synced through "the cloud" to be treated from a user perspective any differently than those exclusively stored locally.
Other's thoughts?

Does anyone know anything about iCloud's document syncing mechanism yet? I suggest waiting until iCloud is released before worrying about the details.

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Migration guidelines to goto Lion, iOS5 and iCloud

hello
I'm using a MacBook Pro ( running OSX 10.6.8 ) an iPhone4 ( iOS 4.3.5 ) and an iPad2 ( iOS 4.3.5 )
all three sync email ( mutilple pop accounts ), calendar and contacts using MobileMe - all works fine
now I would like to goto Lion, iOS5 and iCloud
are there any migration guidelines
- should I update the OS's and will iCould take over the email settings from MobileMe ?
- should I start with migrating MobileMe to iCloud ?
is there any up-to-date documentation ?
thx in advance
Henny

You can purchase and download Lion from the App Store. You can upgrade your iDevices by first downloading and installing the iTunes 10.5 upgrade. As for transitioning from MobileMe to iCloud see:
Frequently asked questions about the MobileMe transition and iCloud
Creating an iCloud account- Frequently Asked Questions
MobileMe- About moving to iCloud.webloc
To upgrade to Lion:
How to Install Lion Successfully - You must have Snow Leopard 10.6.7 or 10.6.8 Installed
A. Repair the Hard Drive and Permissions:
Boot from your Snow Leopard Installer disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. Then select Disk Utility from the Utilities. After DU loads select your hard drive entry (mfgr.'s ID and drive size) from the the left side list. In the DU status area you will see an entry for the S.M.A.R.T. status of the hard drive. If it does not say "Verified" then the hard drive is failing or failed. (SMART status is not reported on external Firewire or USB drives.) If the drive is "Verified" then select your OS X volume from the list on the left (sub-entry below the drive entry,) click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If DU reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit DU and return to the installer. Now restart normally.
If DU reports errors it cannot fix, then you will need Disk Warrior (4.3.) if DW cannot fix the drive, then you will need to reformat the drive and reinstall Snow Leopard.
B. Make a Bootable Backup Using Restore Option of Disk Utility:
Open Disk Utility from the Utilities folder.
Select the destination volume from the left side list.
Click on the Restore tab in the DU main window.
Check the box labeled Erase destination.
Select the destination volume from the left side list and drag it to the Destination entry field.
Select the source volume from the left side list and drag it to the Source entry field.
Double-check you got it right, then click on the Restore button.
Destination means the backup volume. Source means the internal startup volume.
C. Important: Please read before installing:
If you have a FireWire hard drive connected, disconnect it before installing the update unless you will boot from this drive and install the update on it. Reconnect it and turn it back on after installation is complete and you've restarted.
You may experience unexpected results if you have installed third-party system software modifications, or if you have modified the operating system through other means. (This does not apply to normal application software installation.)
The installation process should not be interrupted. If a power outage or other interruption occurs during installation, use the standalone installer (see below) from Apple Downloads to update. While the installation is in progress do not use the computer.
D. To upgrade to Lion:
Purchase the Lion Installer from the Mac App Store. The download will start quickly. Lion is nearly 4 GBs so a fast internet connection is essential. Download time could run upwards of 4 hours depending upon network conditions and server demands at the time.
Boot From The Lion Installer which is located in your Applications folder.
Follow instructions for installation.

I have Mac pro from 2010 and am hesitant to download Lion OX and icloud, any thoughts?

I am interested in downloading Lion and icloud but have read some horror stories, whats the story out there? How difficult is it?

If you go only by what's on this site, you'd be crazy to use any Apple product.
Migrating to Lion can be either effortless or nightmarishly difficult, depending on how well you prepare. The preparation consists of checking your third-party software for compatibility.
Almost all self-contained applications should be fine, unless they are PowerPC-only, in which case they will never work under Lion. You can determine which of your applications are PPC-only by looking under Software in System Profiler. Do this before you migrate, so you won't join the ranks of those bleating for help in these forums with a downgrade to SL.
System modifications, by which I mean any software that does not install merely by drag-and-drop into the Applications folder or download from the Mac App Store, are much more problematic. You should assume that system modifications will not work under Lion unless the developer says otherwise. Some will, some won't.
It's a very good idea to clone your system to another storage device, install Lion onto that, and test thoroughly. That way, if you don't like Lion, all you have to do is reboot. If you don't go that route, then obviously you must back up your data right before installing Lion so that you can revert immediately.

Gmail and iCloud calendars seem incompatible

I am experiencing two issues with calendars on my new iPad (3rd gen) related to GMail. I have spoken with Level 2 support (so far, no luck in solving this problem), and have scoured these support pages ... several possible solutions do not appear to be working. So alas, I'll ask the question and hope for some insights.
ISSUE 1: Cannot add invitees when creating calendar entries on a Google Calendar
On my iPad, I have 3 calendars set up ... default iCloud calendar + two Google calendars. All three synch perfectly between my iPad and other devices. However, if I create a new event on my iPad, there is no option to add invitees to an event created on my Google calendars ... neither my primary calendar or the secondary calendar I share with my family. I can, however, add invitees to a new event created with my iCloud calendar. However, there seems to be an issue with this as well....
ISSUE 2: Invitations from iCloud calendar are not sending
Again, from my iPad, when I add any user's email address to receive invitations from my iCloud calendar, the invites do not appear to be going out.... at least not to any of my email addresses or my wife's email address. When I attempt to send an invite to my Gmail account, my name simply disappears after a few seconds (my gmail account is my iCloud account / Apple ID). When I send an invite to my office email address, the name does not disappear, but I receive no invitation at work. So basically, I can't send invites from my iPad.... period.
A few facts...
My Gmail email address is my Apple ID.
Many of my friends' and colleagues' email addresses are either their Apple ID's or alternative email addresses (I saw several posts about "bugs" with iCloud relating to auto-forwarding of calendar invites to iCloud for addresses that are associated with Apple IDs).
I have turned OFF the default setting in iCloud calendar to automatically forward invites to my iCloud calendar (pursuant to another post on this subject)
I used to use a different email address (Yahoo) for my Apple ID. At that time, I could send invitations using my Google calendar with no issues. This problem only started to occur when I switched my Apple ID to my Gmail account, which I prefer as it enables seamless synching of contacts.
I am all ears ... willing to try almost anything. Help is appreciated.
Thanks.
- David

Why do you need them in iCloud? You can use Google as the point of sync instead on all your devices.

Lion download and icloud

If you download the new lion update on mutliple macs with the same account, will icloud connect the two macs? Will the pictures and so be shared? If so, is there a way to prevent that?

You can also set up different iCloud accounts for each Mac, independent of your AppleID that you used to download Lion. iCloud System Preferences.

New Lion MBP and iCloud

Looking for a bit of advice. I am getting a new MBP 15 due to arrive from China next Tuesday and was wondering about the iCloud setup. Still using MobileMe, but should I "migrate" to the iCloud on my old PowerBook with the limitations prior to setting up the new MacBook Pro or does the setup assistant under Lion accomplish the move from MobileMe to the iCloud?
Thanks in advance for any advice and comments.

Thanks Stevejobsfan and Kappy.
Is there any problem with keeping "@mac.com" email doing it during setup? I thought that I read as long as the user signed up prior to "@me.com" addressing that the iCloud id will be able to use "@mac.com" if you used the mobileme.com/move transition. So, just want to confirm that I can keep the "@mac.com" since I have been using it since the days of iTools.

Lion Mail and iCloud Password

Alright, I've seen tons of threads all over forums for this, and no real solutions. And I'm wondering why:
Lion Apple Mail keeps asking me for my iCloud password almost every time I fire it up, or randomly when I've got it already open.
Why is that? I've tried deleting the password from the preferences/accounts and re-typing it several times. That didn't work. I've tried reparing the keychain with the keychain app, but that didn't work.
I don't get it. What exactly do I do? Nothing has worked. Do I delete the entire account in Mail and set it up again from scratch? Sometimes it'll ask me repeatedly for it and nothing works, so I have to cancel and quit, and then wait a bit and start Mail again and hope that it'll take it this time around. Sometimes it'll take it the first time I type it in. Sometimes it won't even ask for it at all.
What's the deal? What do I do? I've looked on this forum and other forums dealing with Macs and, like many others, none of the solutions presented have actually worked. So any tips would be greatly appreciated.

If it works now, it will work from now on.
If you check the preferences for that account, you will notice in the advanced tab that it uses Apple Token for log in. No password used. You can also make the other settings for Mailbox Behaviors.
Also note that when you sign out of iCloud or disable the account in the iCloud sys prefs that it will remove iCloud from Mail until it's re enabled or you sign back in.
Good Luck

Does the autosave and versions features in OS X Lion work for Microsoft Office or just for iWork?

Will the new OS X Lion autosave and versions feature work for Microsoft Office (e.g. Word, Excel, Powerpoint) or does it just work for iWork?

M…oSoft didn't embed the Lion's new feature in its applications.
So, the truth is that M…oSoft products are unable to use them.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mercredi 4 janvier 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.2
My iDisk is : http://public.me.com/koenigyvan
Please : Search for questions similar to your own before submitting them to the community
For iWork's applications dedicated to iOS, go to :
https://discussions.apple.com/community/app_store/iwork_for_ios

Ever since my upgrade to lion 10.7.3, and iCloud, my macbook is running extremely slow. What can I do? It doesn't seem like my contacts are pushing through to the computer from iPhone.

Ever since my upgrade to lion 10.7.3, and iCloud, my macbook is running extremely slow. What can I do? It doesn't seem like my contacts are pushing through to the computer from iPhone.

Then your basic issues are: too little RAM, incompatible software, dysfunctional installation.
Add more RAM or kill as many programs that you use until the computer is running normally.
See App Compatibility Table - RoaringApps. Upgrade any old software.
Reinstall OS X:
Reinstalling OS X Without Erasing the Drive
Boot to the Recovery HD: Restart the computer and after the chime press and hold down the COMMAND and R keys until the menu screen appears. Alternatively, restart the computer and after the chime press and hold down the OPTION key until the boot manager screen appears. Select the Recovery HD and click on the downward pointing arrow button.
Reinstalling OS X Without Erasing the Drive
Repair the Hard Drive and Permissions: Upon startup select Disk Utility from the main menu. Repair the Hard Drive and Permissions as follows.
When the recovery menu appears select Disk Utility and press the Continue button. After Disk Utility loads select the Macintosh HD entry from the the left side list. Click on the First Aid tab, then click on the Repair Disk button. If Disk Utility reports any errors that have been fixed, then re-run Repair Disk until no errors are reported. If no errors are reported click on the Repair Permissions button. Wait until the operation completes, then quit Disk Utility and return to the main menu.
Reinstall OS X: Select Reinstall OS X and click on the Continue button.
Note: You will need an active Internet connection. I suggest using Ethernet if possible because it is three times faster than wireless.
Alternatively, see:
Reinstall OS X Without Erasing the Drive
Choose the version you have installed now:
OS X Yosemite- Reinstall OS X
OS X Mavericks- Reinstall OS X
OS X Mountain Lion- Reinstall OS X
OS X Lion- Reinstall Mac OS X
Note: You will need an active Internet connection. I suggest using Ethernet
if possible because it isthree times faster than wireless.

I tried installing windows and something went wrong and now it seems I have erased Mac OS too because when I turn it on, it says Insert bootable device

I tried installing windows and something went wrong and now it seems I have erased Mac OS too because when I turn it on, it says Insert bootable device. Now what should I do?

Welcome to Apple Support Communities
Press Option key on boot and select the OS X partition. If it isn't here, press Command and R keys on boot, open Disk Utility, erase the drive and install Lion or Mountain Lion

ICloud mail losing and/or organizing mail wrong

I have recently been having trouble with iCloud mail. My mail is either organized wrong, e.g., put in trash or junk upon receiving when they're either continuations of discussion or new email, or when I try to click on them they disappear, or they are gone after one week. I have not made any of these situations as the chosen operation of email. I am running Mountain Lion 10.8.4 and have only noticed this happening within the last week or so, definitely since installing the update. Any thoughts? suggestions? Thanks

You can migrate your MobileMe account to iCloud at http://me.com/move even with Snow Leopard - when asked to confirm that you have Lion on your Mac, just lie and say 'yes'.
If you have MobileMe mail set up to collect mail from external POP accounts you should cancel this before migrating, or you may find it still working in iCloud (where it isn't supposed to) and with no way of stopping it. You may find the MobileMe email settings will continue to work for a time after migrating but it will stop eventually so you should not rely on this. You should delete your MobileMe email account from Mail.
You can then set up Mail manually in Snow Leopard to access iCloud email; it's a slight fudge because the 'wizard' will attempt to connect you to MobileMe as soon as you enter an @me.com address. The process, which includes a workaround for this, is described here:
http://www.wilmut.webspace.virginmedia.com/notes/icloudmail.html
You may be able to sync your calendars to iCloud by means of an unsupported hack, but you cannot sync Contacts or Bookmarks, and iCloud's other facilities will not work. This page outlines the situation when you migrate to iCloud, including a link to the calendar hack:
http://www.wilmut.webspace.virginmedia.com/notes/icloudSL.html

HT204053 Dear Support Team, every time i tried to logon Icloud its gives me wrong user name or password and at the end it show me error " This Apple ID is valid but is not an ICloud Account" then how can i use one account for same Apple ID and ICloud???

Dear Support Team,
Every time i tried to logon Icloud its gives me wrong user name or password and at the end it show me error " This Apple ID is valid but is not an ICloud Account" then how can i use one account for same Apple ID and ICloud?
Thanks

It is not possible to create a new iCloud account using a Windows machine. You must create the account using a Mac (10.7.5 or more) or an IOS device (iPhone etc). Once that is done you can sign into and use the account on your Windows machine.

How do I delete movies from iTunes library? I have moved them to the iCloud and now only seem to have the option to hide the icon in iCloud. I am sure I chose poorly at the 'keep file' window. Please help. My Brain hurts- 18 movies need to go-.

How do I delete movies from iTunes library? I have moved them to the iCloud and now only seem to have the option to hide the icon in iCloud. I am sure I chose poorly at the 'keep file' window. Please help. My Brain hurts… 18 plus movies need to go…. Thank you.

Instead of removing the music from the cloud or the iTunes library why not shuffle your music using a Smart Playlist which excludes the holiday music, or tracks that are not checked. For example, use this very simple Smart Playlist:

HT4847 I have a new iphone and cannot delete the backup from icloud. It says that it is in use. I have read some of the other threads and it only seems to be haphazard solutions. Is there a definite way to fix this? I am not able to change icloud accoun

I have a new iphone and cannot delete the backup from icloud. It says that it is in use. I have read some of the other threads and it only seems to be haphazard solutions. Is there a definite way to fix this? I am not able to change icloud accounts.

Follow the steps in wjosten's post here: https://discussions.apple.com/message/13356770#13356770 (for Windows, substitute Outlook in step 2).

How do I update the iCloud ID on my phone? I changed my ID on my laptop, but my iphone still has "sign in to iCloud" with the wrong ID and I cant figure out how to change it.

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