PS CS6 Beta - Crop tool problems

Generally, i think the new crop tool is pretty good. However, i'm having some problems with predefined sizes / areas.Let me try to explain:
1. For example, I have a scanned image that is 26.14 x 20.32 cm @300ppi
2. I have defined a size called 'Half Page' which is 23.5 x 15.5 cm @300ppi
Now, what i would expect is that:
1. The moment i open the scanned image, click the crop tool and select the 'Half Page' setting, the crop boundaries would show up up at the correct setting in terms of size and resolution.
2. I should then have a window within which i could move the image to get the parts i want into the crop box.
This is not happening:
1. The crop size (box) is showing as 23.5 x 15.5.
2. The info is showing as 26.14 x 17.24
3. The image size is showing the same and @ 300ppi.
Obviously, i'm probably doing something wrong or else...
Grateful for any help!
Cheers!
S

Further Noel... just tried setting the predetermined box in pixels... same problem...
What seems to happen is that the largest dimension reverts to the image boundary, while the smaller dimension crops into the image. This despite my setting the ppi to 300 - the same as the image's ppi.
The way i look at it, when i set a predertimed size, the crop box should be at that size... particularly, as you suggested, when i have pixels selected as my dimensions. And my rulers are also set to pixels.
The latest attempt as follows:
1. Image size is 20.32 x 26.14cm @300ppi (2400x3087 pixels)
2. Crop size is set to 1831 x 2776 pixels (ppi setting enabled to 300 and rulers are also in pixels)
What happens is the crop box defaults to the full height of the image and crops in at the sides. Info box shows: W:1831, H: 2776. But it's encomapssing the full 3087 pixels (height) of the original image.
The way i look at it i should get a crop box that is smaller than the image and now should be able to move the image around to gt th crop i want. This way i still have to crop into the image and it's then resampling the image.
Cheers...
S

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