PS Smart Object Import Render issues from AI

I have scoured these forums for a while to find anything regarding these circumstances. I apologize if this has been mentioned before but I'm trying to find some way to mitigate this issue.
When importing a vector smart object into Photoshop from Illsutrator I end up with text rendering issues. The fonts render as if they were assigned the sharp AA setting, despite having the crisp AA setting on the AI source.
The pixel previewed AI opened vector smart object looks clean and crisp.
Any ideas on how to fix the text rendering issues?

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Smart Object import from Illustrator to Photoshop ( CS5 )

Hello !
Here's the thing:
I have an icon in Illustrator and I'm designing a website in Photoshop so I copy and paste that icon as a Smart Object in Photoshop and everything is perfect but when I resize that Smart Object is not perfect anymore.
*The document is 200 %
-The first icon is the original file I import from Illustrator and It's 100%
-I resize the second icon to 70%
Now look at those gray light lines around the second icon. Why is that happening ? How can I fix it ?
Thanks !
PS: Sorry for my English I just speak a little bit.

Hi, again, Sunniess.
Now look at those gray light lines around the second icon. Why is that happening ? How can I fix it ?
You may be sorry you asked. I didn't have time to bore you with the answer to that earlier.
The gray lines are being generated in Ps, so this should be of interest to anyone who works with small images in Ps.
When you export from Illy using the clipboard, Illy rounds to the nearest whole pixel. A rounded rectangle is created in Illy measuring 73x30 pixels. If you scale the rectangle 70% in Illy, the new rectangle measures 51.1 x 21 pixels. But it pastes into Ps as 51x21 pixels.
If you import the 73x30 pixel image into Ps and scale 70% , instead of 51x21 pixels, you will get either 52x21, 53x21, 52x23 or 53x23 pixels, depending on where the Reference point locator (highlighted below) is set in the Transform Toolbar. The gray lines are the extra pixels.
Why the extra pixels? The extra pixels are a form of dithering. When you scale the 73x30 imported image 70% in Ps, you get 51.1 x 21 pixels, same as in Illy. But Ps doesn't round to the nearest pixel. It creates fractional pixels. In the screenshot below, the rectangle is rendered 52x21. The lines at top and bottom are sharp because the pixel height is a whole integer, 21. But the width is 51.1. There's a decimal fraction. The gray vertical bar at right is how Ps represents fractional pixels. The .1 of 51.1. Ps can't actually make .1 of a pixel black. So instead it makes 1 pixel .1 black by assigning 10% opacity.
If the Reference point locater is set as below, you get a different result. Now the rectangle renders at 53x23 pixels. You now have gray rows of pixels at top and bottom, as well as both sides. The height is still really 21 pixels, but since it is transforming from the center and it's an odd number, Ps splits a pixel, assigning .5 black pixels at the top, and .5 black pixels at the bottom, which it represents with 2 rows of pixels at 50% opacity. Similar thing with the ends, except they are lower opacity because they represent smaller fractions of a pixel. This pretty much reproduces what your icon looks like.
Below is a closeup of the above rectangle over a blue background. The rows of pixels aren't actually gray. They are semi transparent black.
The point is, how the Reference point locator is set can have unexpected influence on the results, particularly when downsizing small images. And will be most noticable on straight vertical or horizontal edges.
As if that weren't enough, there are options in your General Preferences that affect the results of resizing images.
I copied and pasted your icon into Ps, then scaled it 70% at two different settings.
The top is Bicubic, the botttom is Nearest Neighbor.
A significant difference. And this interacts with the Transform Locator setting to further confuse the issue. But if you resize in Illy you avoid all this.
If you resize in Ps, it's good to be aware of this stuff. This all happens in Ps. It really has nothing to do with Illy. If you must scale in Ps and get noticable rows of fractional pixels, it's easy enough to select the rows and just delete them. Or fill them. That's essentially what Illy does when it copies to the clipboard.
Your English is fine. I hope mine makes as much sense.
Peace,
Lee

Error: Gaps in Smart Objects imported from Illustrator

Hi,
I would like to report an error in Photoshop CS6 (the latest patches have been installed).
I've only recently purchased CS6 and have never posted in this forum before.
Apologies in advance if this isn't the correct procedure for reporting errors.
I'd be grateful if someone knows a workaround as this error makes imported Smart Objects useless in Photoshop CS6.
Thanks in advance.
SYMPTOMS: Gaps appear between elements when an Illustrator CS6 file is imported in Photoshop CS6 as a Smart Object.
Different Image Interpolation settings in Photoshop CS6 were already tested but to no avail.
ORGINAL VECTOR SQUARES IN ADOBE ILLUSTRATOR:
CLOSE-UP OF SQUARES AFTER IMPORTING THE .AI FILE AS A SMART OBJECT IN PHOTOSHOP:

Please post Bug Reports over at
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/
But first look if one on this issue already exists and add your support if it does.

Smart Object sharpening in CR from PS via LR - not sticking

Ok, here is what I am attempting to do. I have 2 images in lightroom. They are the same subject (landscape) taken with 2 different exposures. Exposure 1 is for the foreground, which was in shadow. The second exposure is for the middle ground and the sky via a virtual copy for the mid ground and the sky separatly. I make tone adjustments in LR then export as a smart object to PS. So I now have 3 smart objects. I make masks for foreground, mid ground, and sky.
Now I want to go back to CR and make some final adjustments and sharpen each masked photo prior to copying all 3 layers to one file.
To begin with when importing the image as a smart layer from LR, CR does not open. The images get exported directly into PS. Now when I double click on the Smart Object icon it does open up into CR. I check to make sure the workflow option includes Open in PS as smart object. At this point I go through and make CR corrections including sharpening. I can see the changes and the sharpening on the screen but when I click OK, to put the image back in PS the changes do not show. I have tried making a snapshot of the corrections prior to clicking OK but the corrections still don't move.
Now I have to tell you that since I am learning the programs I have exported as smart objects from LR prior numerous times. The first time I did it with each image CR did open up and did save the changes. The problem is with the learning curve I have needed to go back and redo the image to get it right. But now I can't get the changes to take.
I am using PS V11.0.1.0, LR V2.6.0.2 and whatever CR is in there. I updated at the beginning of January. All on a fairly robust PC.
Thanks for the help.

Copied the cr2 files and re-did the whole process. This time it worked. Thanks anyways...

Smart Objects - File size issues

Hey All,
The Question: Not sure if this question has been answered elsewhere. But when using a nested smart object (meaning a smart object within a smart object) Photoshop CS5 doesn't display the correct file size (at bottom left) or seem to account for the nested smart object file size. Is there a "setting" I’m missing to accurately display what the true file size is?
The Problem: Using multiple nested smart objects that I have reduced the size of my image to be 260x200 for web export. Photoshop CS5 won't let me save a file that appears to be only 3mbs claiming it's over 2 gig's. See image below.
Really not sure what to do about this, the company I work for makes lots of changes so using smart objects is necessary for my work flow. But also seems to be slowing me down trying to figure out issues like this and is problematic when it comes to saving all the work I have been doing.
Thanks for the help

FentonDesigns wrote:
when using a nested smart object (meaning a smart object within a smart object) Photoshop CS5 doesn't display the correct file size (at bottom left) or seem to account for the nested smart object file size. Is there a "setting" I’m missing to accurately display what the true file size is?
One thing you might have missed is that Photoshop is not a file editor its a document editor. The sizes Photoshop is displaying are related to how much ram it using for the documents data. How efficient ram is being used etc. File sizes vary all over the place sizes depend on the number of pixels in an image format support layers no layers compression?, transparency. There is no way Photoshop could even guess at any file sizes.
An other is all smart object layer are not created the same and their sizes my be far different the you may think.
Smart object layers have a basic format. There is an embedded object, there is a composite pixel rendering for embedded object that is used for the layer pixels and there is a transform associated for the layer rendered pixels.
Anything Photoshop supports can be an embedded object. These objects are copies of the original object. For example a copy of a RAW file where ACR settings are stored in the file copy metadata. An embedded object might be a copy of a PSD file that has thousands of layers. in any case Photoshop renders pixels for the embedded objects composite view and uses these rendered pixels as the smart object layers pixels. These pixels can not be changed within the document.
However the embed object can be opened and worked on and changed. If the change is committed Photoshop will update the embedded object and render the updated object composit view and replace the layers pixels.
Smart Object Layer Pixels can only be acted on in the document not changed with paint etc. For example the Transform associated with the smart object layer sizes and positions the layer rendering over the canvas. The layer actual size may be larger then, smaller then the canvas size and have a different aspect ratio then the canvas. Example if you place in an image that is larger then the document canvas size one of Adobe Photoshop's Preferences is set by default have Place resize large images to fit within current the documents canvas size. The transform associated with that placed layer would cause the rendering of the layers pixels to fit with in the canvas.
Though an embedded object may contain thousands of layers the actual object may be much smaller then you think for PSD files are compressed object may be compressed. Also while the embedded object may contain vector layers when a smart object layer is transformed the layer is transformed using interpolation like a raster layer for all that is being transformed is the pixels Photoshop rendered for the embedded smart object. The only way to work on the embedded smart object layers it to open the smart object and work on the object itself.j

Smart Object Anti-Aliasing issues in PS CS5

I am having a heck of a time working with smart objects that contain transparency in CS5. Here is an example of what I'm experiencing:
1,700px smart object scaled down to 156px. No transparency in SO. Good anti-aliasing.
Same smart object, but with a layer mask or transparency in the smart object. But alas: horrible anti-aliasing, throughout the entire image.
I frequently embed my transparency within the SOs I work with, due to the limitations of linking embedded SOs with layer masks etc. I experienced no problems in CS3. I'm thinking this is a bug? Does anyone have any insight? Thanks!
UPDATE: after performing many tests, and noticing that having transparency in a smart object does not necessarily lead to poor anti-aliasing in the parent image, I have narrowed-down the issue. The issue will occur only if at least an antire column or row of pixels (of any height/width) along the border of the image are transparent. It does not matter if the transparency is at the top, bottom, sides, or surrounding the image, but it must take up some amount of an entire side. This is looking more and more like a bug... Is anyone able to replicate the issue? (Adobe engineers?) Thanks.

Here is the file I'm seeing this in. Incidentally, if I drag the problematic smart object to another open image, the appearance is the same (Photoshop is, after all, the epitome of wysiwyg software). But this works both ways: I can also re-create the smart object in another document without the poor anti-aliasing, then drag it into the original image and it will still look fine. (in this file there are two side-by-side, so that you can compare the two. you can also play with the smart object on the left to see the anti-aliasing go from good to bad; just go into the SO and delete a row or column of pixels from the border and re-save).
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8162462/SO-aa-issue%3F.tif
(i used Dropbox; lmk if there's a better way to post a file in this forum)
Since I just started using CS5 (from CS3), I have suspicions that it may be a version translation issue (either in the TIFF or smart object). Either way, I'm glad that this is not a common or easily-reproduced issue. Let me know if you learn anything from the file
Thanks,
Cory

Smart object import changes black colour code

Hi there,
I'm trying to solve some problems I'm having with illustrator objects placed in Photoshop and I wonder whether the following is possible at all: I place illustrator grahics with a black background as smart objects in Photoshop and when I check the colours of the smart object the black has another code and it looks paler as well. Now the question is, is it possible at all to insert an AI graphic and have PS keep the colour code? I work with CMYK on both apps and so far the colour settings should be matched for the CS package. I have checked to display all black shades in deep black under the AI preferences but I am not sure if that is relevant at all. I figure the apps may display the colours differently but at least the colour codes should be kept... or am I expecting too much here?

Well I have the same cmyk profile on both apps as I wrote before. But now that you made me aware to check the profiles once again I came to realize I set the black value in AI according to the cmyk color bar in the colour tab (the black and white square on the right), which will have all the values on 0% except from the k one which is 100%. But the actual 000000 value has another distribution for the percentage in CMYK... So there problem solved. Just wonder why the black values won't match for the predefined black colour, why it can't be the universal #000000... Anyway thanks!

Pixelated Smart Object import from Illustrator to Photoshop ( CS3 )

For years everything was glorious when I imported graphics from Illustrator to Photoshop.... And now all of a sudden, every time I import/paste into photoshop it is horribly pixelated. The only way I can solve this problem is to save in illustrator as an eps and then open the document in photoshop (boo).
Have I changed some preference on accident?
Thanks for your time with this, and if this has already been answered I apologize I searched prior to posting,
sg

Hello,
Same problem - what do you mean when you say 'trashing' does anyone have the correct settings for AI & PS on this please
Many thanks
elles.x

Smart Object and blend mode issue

I have an object that I moved from another image and needed to resize. The object is an image of a bottle and glass, with both the bottle and glass having reflections from their base. They both also have some layer masks with the reflections. I grouped the glass and bottle and created a smat object before the move to the new file). Anyway everything worked fine, except the reflections are much stonger in the new file (they are sitting over the same colored backgrond as in the original. If I open up the smart object and put a background behind the images and the reflections (background is transparent)everthing looks as they should. The reflections have a blend mode of multiply).
So why does the smart object not render the reflections properly (without lowering the opacity more within the smart object group) they appear almost at 100% in the new file. Any suggestions?
Can't post the files as this happened at work.
Thanks
Jeff

Anything to do with soft proofing? Does the new document have the same colour space as the original?

Create Smart Object /Frame Layer from open file in PSE8?

I'm loving the trial version of PSE 8. Several features that I don't want to live without!
One thing that I find more difficult is creating a Smart Object or a Frame Layer (did those get replaced?) from an open file. Because I digital scrapbook in different aspect ratios (12x12 for print and 15x9 for my photo frame) I want to maintain independent resolution of my pictures so I can change the crop, size etc. My regular process (pse6) is to open a bunch of pictures and elements (papers, embellishments, etc), adjust the pictures as I desire (usually Smart Fix, plus a little midtone contrast), drop the elements into a blank file or template from the layers palette so they will not be frame layers, but drop the photos in from the Open Files bin as Frame Layers. Then I simply resize the frame itself to match what I want on the page, and adjust the picture inside the frame.
With PSE 8 I found I can drop a file from "Show Files from Organizer" and they will become Smart Objects (File: Place works too). However, they have to be saved first, and I often don't save all my changes. I would like to be able to create a Smart object or Frame Layer from an open file.
Also, is there any way to change the size/zoo of the picture within a Smart Object? Or crop it? If not, does this really mean I have to crop my file, save it, and then add it as a Smart Object? Ugh. (Or create a rectangle for each SO and group them to form a clipping mask, I suppose. Either is a pain).
Any recommendations for a better workflow that maintains independence?
Thanks,
Lisa

Thank you! This is very timely as I've been playing around with digital scrapbooking a lot more. I've been having luck with using a grouped layer to "crop" the photo. This way I can actually crop out what I know I'll never use, but use the layer mask to keep some edges that I might want around.
Do you have any opinion on whether it's better to use a smart object or not? I'll try both, I guess, and see what it does to my file size.
Lisa

Is possible to save a vector.pdf with smart object?

Hi PS masters
I am finishing a poster, fully created in shapes in illustrator. Due to customers request I was forced to do some color corrections so I decided to use my PhotoShop CS6.
I imported vector files into my photoshop as smart objects, added some adjustments layer, few vector masks and I changed their layer style to get the finest result.
When I finished my work in PS I tryed to save this as .pdf
In my .psd there are shape layers, some groups and some adjustments layers with layer masks and changed Layer style to "color", one text layer and 3 smart objects imported from illustrator.
I want to keep my image scaleable for bigger resolutions.
... So I was trying to save this file as Adobe PDF but I found that whole graphic in exported .pdf was converted to raster, besides the border, cut marks and that one text layer.
I think that this is becuase of smart objects. (saving as .pdf without them works pretty good)
Now finaly my question. Is somehow possible to save this document from photoshop as vector.pdf? or is possible to import group of shapes from illustrator to photoshop as shapes in photoshop? no as smart objects.
I am running out of time so I saved it as high res .Jpeg, but I want to know if this is somehow possible for future use or If I have to rather avoid that solution.
Thank you very much for your reactions
// I just thought if I can use InDesign for that. Will be included .pdf file as raster? or it will stay scaleable even with smart objects in it?

I am sorry but I don't have vector files right now (I'm on another PC), but I can show you "old" version of a poster, where you can see parts of their structure

Smart Object Transformation in CS5

Has anyone noticed that when you scale down a smart object in Photoshop CS5, the transformation tool resets the dimensions to 100%? In CS4, you are able to see the transformation properties once you scale down (by option-Shift clicking on the bounding box). It would be helpful to retain the scaled dimensions of the transformed smart object in case you need to import other smart objects to rescale.

Thanks. Here's a link to the video of me transforming in CS5:
http://www.notchill.com/tmp/CS5_SmartObject_Transform.mov
Please note: The smart object I imported was already scaled down from the original size, but the transform controls show it as 100%.
In contrast, here is a screen cap of me doing the exact same process in CS4:
http://www.notchill.com/tmp/CS4_SmartObject_Transform.mov
As you can see, once I get into transform mode, it shows that the smart object has been scaled from its original. This data is very valuable.
Hope this helps to clarify. Please note this applies to rotation as well.

How to copy a smart object transform in Photoshop

Hello!
Smart objects in photoshop is realy powerfull tool, i use it in many different ways and create complicated web graphic. But many times i need to do one thing with them and always fail:
If i have several different smart objects, and I do DIFFERENT perspective transform to them (it means scaling distortion rotation etc)
how can i apply the *same* transform that has one of my objects to another one smart objet that yet has no transformation (or it has some alrady dosn't matter)?
In other words how can i copy the transformation in some way (as you might copy a layer style and apply the same one to a different layer)
Is there any way? or i shoud look to scripting to do that?
Is there real photoshop guru who knows how to do that?
thanks in advance

Thank you!
Yes i know about this workaround but unfortunatly there will be immediatly other question raised :
if i do this (replace content of my new smart object created by copying from original) then this new smart object will be disconnected from any other smart object, and there is no way how to restore this connection betwen smart objects after content replace operation. Or there is?
This is important for me cause in my work i have a lot of smart objects with different transformations but conneted to one source data object.
So unfortunatly for me but this idea is not even workaround for my workflow? It's so pity

Smart Object convert colors

I'm working with color proof and the result is very very important to the final work.
So I'm worried because when create a smart object from all layers in RGB mode and then convert the image to CMYK the result is a little different that if I convert a flat image. Why do this happens? And how I control to obtain the same result?
Placed a linked file has a different color result too.
I need to maintain all layers available, so I trying to work with this method.
Any answer or help?

And how I control to obtain the same result?
You don’t.
At least with many possible combinations of transparencies and Blend Modes it is impossible to obtain the same result in CMYK as in RGB while maintaing the original Layer structure.
Placed a linked file has a different color result too.
Different from embedded Smart Objects or just different from the flattened image?
To be blunt you probably don’t fully comprehend the principal difference between additive and subtractive colors.
Also are you sure your CMYK space conforms to the specific print process?

Smart object thumbnails in CC ...

The thumbnails of smart objects are not updated instantly after editing the content of it. For updated thumbnail, you have to turn off the visibility of the layer of smart object.

Thanks. Here's a link to the video of me transforming in CS5:
http://www.notchill.com/tmp/CS5_SmartObject_Transform.mov
Please note: The smart object I imported was already scaled down from the original size, but the transform controls show it as 100%.
In contrast, here is a screen cap of me doing the exact same process in CS4:
http://www.notchill.com/tmp/CS4_SmartObject_Transform.mov
As you can see, once I get into transform mode, it shows that the smart object has been scaled from its original. This data is very valuable.
Hope this helps to clarify. Please note this applies to rotation as well.

PS Smart Object Import Render issues from AI

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