QJackCTL, Catia, and Cadence won't connect to jackdbus?

When I install jack2 and qjackctl, jackd starts and runs nicely; but when I install jack2-dbus, jackdbus runs fine (according to many tests via ps and jack_control), but qjackctl does not show it running and won't show a patchbay, and Catia and Cadence won't connect either.  I have added myself to the "audio" group, no change.  What am I missing?

afaik this is simply because qjackctl don't support the dbus interface in jack2. probably the same with catia and cadence.
if I start jackdbus via jack_control before I launch qjackctl, it recognizes that the jack server is started and works fine for me though (as do any other jack application), apart from starting and stopping the server.

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