Quality drum loops or Drum machine plug-ins

I have purchased drum loops from 2 different sources(I'm not going to mention names) and have not been satisfied. I find the loops either too simplistic and rigid or way over the top.
I am looking for:
1) Rock, pop and "alternative folk" loops.
2) Loops that have names that are succinct and informative.
3) Loops that have fills that "fit".
I really like/liked working with drum machines and have used Boss TR505(?), Alesis SR16, Roland R70 and currently use Boss 670. Back in the day I would sync a midi drum track/s to my song and could switch out individual drum parts or keep the same part and add a new kit or instrument.
I must be missing something because Logic seems limiting because I have to commit to a global audio loop. Or I make a basic sketch of a drum track(song) with my BR670. I then record the song into Logic as an audio track from the drum machine. Switching parts here and there becomes a laborious process.
I know I am mainly limited by the fact I only have a 2 channel firewire audio interface.
Ok, I'm rambling. If anyone knows the boat I am in and can direct me to a flexible loop library or explain how I can work with my drum machine and a 2 channel interface...
Help,
Rythmically Challenged

DrumCore2 - I use them in a lot of songs.
http://www.submersiblemusic.com/
I've also heard very good things about BFD as well, but haven't used them.
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I am currently using logic express, and using the Alesis SR-16 to lay down my drum tracks. Right now I am using the two 1/4" outs to make one stereo track in Logic. However, I can not edit/EQ the individual drum pads separately this way. I can only edit/EQ the drum track as a whole.
I was on the phone with Alesis and the guy was talking 100 MPH about what I could do, and he totally confused me. I asked him if I used the MIDI outs, could I then do something to be able to edit the drum parts separately. He started talking about sequencers, time clocks, etc. I am fairly new to all that stuff.
He mentioned that I may like using a software sampler such as Reason, but he wasn't sure if that could be used along with Logic. I read up a little bit on Reason and it looks cool, lots of racks/effects/drum machines/etc. However, I didn't want to drop the money into Reason, or something similar before I knew more about it, or how it could benefit me. I think that Logic Pro comes with a drum machine, and more bells and whistles than express. Is that worth the upgrade.
To sum up, I just want to be able to get real sounding drum sounds the easiest way possible. It seems that a software version of a drum machine would be easier than tapping out beats on the SR-16. I am writing/recording folk/rock style music, so i'm not looking to make hip-hop style house beats, or anything like that.
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Hi,
From what I'm reading about your needs, I think the best thing is to let go of the Alesis and work with what Logic (and Garageband) has for drum loops. You also can buy more drum loops from this great site:
http://www.drumsondemand.com/index.html
They sell prerecorded live drums cut into loops. A ton of them. I think it would be a lot easier to work with this than trying to figure out all the midi ins and outs with the Alesis. I'm kind of into going this route as well.
From their faq's:
"GarageBand: Apple Loops or 24-bit Acidized WAVs. Apple Loops are AIF audio files with the TCE tags we've put in them. While GB2 does support Acid files, you have to drag and drop them from the desktop; you don't find them in the Apple Loops Browser. (You can't preview them very quickly.) If you use multiple platforms then you might go with the WAVs. If you really like the Apple Loops Browser or are a basic user then go with the Apple Loops format. Note also that even though Garageband only outputs 16-bit, you can use 24-bit files within the program. So if you do go with the WAV format you might as well go 24-bit in case later on you work in another program and want the highest quality.
Logic: We recommend REX files. However, the latest version of Logic does support Acid WAVs and Apple Loops. Unless you are a beginner, or are using multiple platforms, we recommend REX2 for Logic because REX files are more "flexible" in some ways (see REX info below)."
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Does Logic Studio have a drum machine?

I'm a noob about drum machines and how they are used, but I suppose I will need one. And I would like to know if does Logic comes with a drum machine or if I'll need to add an external drum machine. Thanks in advance for your replies.

Check out
http://www.apple.com/uk/logicstudio/plug-ins/#studio-instruments
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I'm new to using Garageband and loops with garage band. I just wanted to see if there was a way for me to use the drum sounds provided in garageband to create my own original drum tracks and work with it like a drum machine that i can program an entire song into... any info or tutorials would be a great help.. Thanks!!!

Ah ok, I have a better idea of what you want to do now.
Unfortunately there isn't anything inside GB that can come anywhere close to Acoustica Beatcraft, but there are two tools inside Garageband that can help you do something similar.
First are the built-in keyboards, which will enable you to trigger drum samples with your computer keyboard or mouse. Go to Window -> Keyboard or Window -> Musical Typing. Click with your mouse on the Keyboard or press keys on your computer keyboard with Musical Typing, and you will trigger different drum samples for whatever kit you've chosen for that software track.
Next is the Track Editor: in Piano Roll mode, you can create and see midi notes somewhat similar to the view in this screenshot from AB. On the left side of the Editor, you will see a sideways piano keyboard. When you assign a drum kit to a software track, each of the piano keys corresponds to a different instrument: hi hat, snare, bass drum, etc---you'll have to play them using the on-screen keyboard or musical typing to see what they correspond to. In order to add a MIDI note you hold the CMD button and click with the mouse.
So, if you wanted to add a closed hi-hat hit, you would CMD-click on the Track Editor row corresponding to the closed hi-hat piano key, and then you can drag the MIDI note left & right to change the beat it plays on, or resize the note, which will change its duration.
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