Quality of DVD Studio Pro using Compressor vs iDVD

Sorry to repeat the question below, which I have also posted under DVD SP...I thought that perhaps someone watching Compressor would also have input.
I have been trying to obtain a DVD output with DVD Studio Pro where moderate speed pans don't jerk. Oddly, I get better results using iDVD. The image in iDVD isn't as sharp, but the quality of movement (pans, tilts) is smoother. My program length is only 20 minutes and I have used compressor to encode outside of DVD SP. The compressor setting was for DVD, 60 mins, best quality. Why is it that a consumer software such as iDVD yields better results in this aspect? What am I doing wrong in DVD SP that results in less than professional results. All input appreciated. Thanks in advance

Pamela
hy is it that a consumer software such as iDVD yields better results in this aspect? What am I doing wrong in DVD SP that results in less than professional results.
You are messing around with Compressor settings . . . I guess!
Hope that helps !
Alberto

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After updating to Snowleopard, FCP comes up with a warning about unsupported enablerfiles during start-up. Prokit 7 didn't solve that problem. Anybody...?

Right on, Eric.
I'm a devoted Windows man, but I must say that DVDSP is the best DVD authoring software I've tried so far.
As far as compressor goes, it depends what program you are exporting from and for what purpose. There are many options in there and I for instance found out that using something like a Photo JPEG compression rather than a DV PAL setting for a project that was all in DVD PAL gave a better output.
Compressor is a pretty big program and by trying different things out, you can probably find what you need.
Sounds like there could be a problem with your computer if everything comes out as crappy as you say...?
Good luck figuring it out or make your mpegs on PC's TMPGEnc. (He-he... )
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Is DVD Studio Pro more reliable than iDVD?
Because my needs are simple, I thought I'd just use iDVD to burn DVDs. I created a movie in Final Cut Express, exported it as a Quicktime movie with chapter markers, and created an iDVD project around it. The iDVD project recognizes the chapter markers and it all plays just fine from within iDVD, but I haven't been able to successfully burn a DVD of the project.
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I do not think there is a clear answer on that one. I use both and find iDVD has less issues than DVD SP (not that DVD SP has a ton of issues, but enough that eventually you will probably run into something that will throw things off and will need to know the workaround.)
If you look at the boards you will see people that have problems with both applications. Not that either one is bad, but since boards are designed to help with issues, it is rare that you get someone saying "Wow this has been rock solid for a year" so it is always a grain of salt.
DVD SP does give you more control over things, but by the same token it may not be the application you need. In other words since it is now part of the Final Cut Studio you would need to take a look at the Studio and see if it is something you want. The iApps overall, IMHO, do quite alot for many things and I use them often depending on what I am trying to do. Your project should work it sounds like and there may be something going on (well yes there is of course) You may want to take a quick look at these threads where people have quit issues with iDVD and see if any of the details in th workflow, computer etc are similar and if there are solutions.
QUit iDVD Issues
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Quality of DVD Studio Pro vs iDVD

I have been trying to obtain a DVD output with DVD Studio Pro where moderate speed pans don't jerk. Oddly, I get better results using iDVD. The image in iDVD isn't as sharp, but the quality of movement (pans, tilts) is smoother. My program length is only 20 minutes and I have used compressor to encode outside of DVD SP. The compressor setting was for DVD, 60 mins, best quality. Why is it that a consumer software such as iDVD yields better results in this aspect? What am I doing wrong in DVD SP that results in less than professional results. All input appreciated. Thanks in advance

Hal MacLean wrote:
Wow - wikipedia link is a superb article, but a tad geeky...
That is why I refused to understand it, I am not a geek and no one will convince me otherwise... even if every new application and computer released by Apple is like catnip for me

DVD Studio Pro and Compressor suck!

I usually never do this, come to a forum and trash a software. But I must say that Compressor (especially!) and DVD Studio Pro simply suck. They are nowhere near a professional standard. In fact they are worse than other encoding and authoring softwares which would not even dream of billing themselves as "professional".
Everytime I encode something there are pops and pixellations. Most of the time in different places. To ensure that a video is encoded properly (and when I say properly I only mean without defects like pixellation etc), I have to encode it anywhere from 5 to 10 times, with the time expense of watching each version to make sure they are clean. Not to mention the extremely poor quality of encoding, even at best settings.
Artists, musicians, filmmakers - do not even try to use Compressor or DVD Studio Pro for your important projects. Look elsewhere. They will make your hair go white. Apple, shame on you for realeasing such a crappy product!

Right on, Eric.
I'm a devoted Windows man, but I must say that DVDSP is the best DVD authoring software I've tried so far.
As far as compressor goes, it depends what program you are exporting from and for what purpose. There are many options in there and I for instance found out that using something like a Photo JPEG compression rather than a DV PAL setting for a project that was all in DVD PAL gave a better output.
Compressor is a pretty big program and by trying different things out, you can probably find what you need.
Sounds like there could be a problem with your computer if everything comes out as crappy as you say...?
Good luck figuring it out or make your mpegs on PC's TMPGEnc. (He-he... )
4 x 2.5 GHz PowerPC G5 Mac OS X (10.4.8) 4.5 GB DDR2 SDRAM

Idvd (professional quality) vs DVD Studio pro quality difference

The Short question:
I understand DVDSP gives you much more control on menus on your dvd, but if I'm not concerned about additional controls, and only about preserving video quality, is it worth using DVDSP and possibly compressor or am I getting the same quality on less then one hour dvd's using 'professional quality' encoding with iDVD?
The long question:
I know this has probably been talked about many time, so I apologize.
I'm creating home movies with FCP from SD DV footage. Being Standard definition, I would like to preserve as much quality as I can when putting my movies onto DVD. Most of my movies, as well as DVD's are less then one hour.
I just went through the excellent Lynda.com tutorials on DVD studio pro by Larry Gordon. I understand DVDSP gives you much more control on menus on your dvd, but if I'm not concerned about additional controls, and only about preserving video quality, is it worth using DVDSP and possibly compressor or am I getting the same quality on less then one hour dvd's using 'professional quality' encoding with iDVD?
Thanks for your understanding.

Thanks guys for your reply. After finishing the tutorials on both DVDsp and Compressor. I think I'm sold. The flexibility is worth the extra effort. Actually after learning the interfaces, they aren't as daunting as I first thought. Compressor is dead easy and DVDsp is fun due to the control you have over your dvd. ALSO, using DVDsp over idvd has fixed a VERY annoying aspect ratio issue I have ever since using idvd. Where my DV 16:9 footage is being cropped to 4:3 on certain dvd players. I've battled that issue with no resolution for way too long. No problem when the DVD is made from DVDsp. I will miss the beautiful canned templates supplied in idvd, but I'm sure there are templates for DVDSP I'll be able to find. I'm sure templates are limited due to they expect you to create your own. I can deal with that.
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I have a video I shot in 1080p and it looks great on screen. When I use iDVD to make a quick playable DVD of it (as i have done with many other projects) I'm not happy with the results. It is only about 8 minutes long so there shouldn't be issues with extra compression to get it to fit on the disc.
So I'm thinking of redoing it in DVD Studio Pro, but won't bother if they both use the same MPEG-2 encoding methods. Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance,
Mark

Videodude, Compressor isn't necessary since iDVD will do the compression for you. But I wasn't happy with the standard def quality I was getting so Mish recommended using manual settings in Compressor and exporting the MPEG2 files needed to burn to DVD. Since Compressor created the files I used DVD Studio Pro to master my DVD.
You should be able to burn a HD disc through iDVD if you have a BlueRay burner. But keep in mind that not everyone has BlueRay and the discs aren't cheap. Be a shame if you handed out discs that no one could use.
As a side note, I used Mish's advice and am really happy with the quality of video I'm getting now. I can only guess that iDVD over compressed the video so it could squeeze two hours on a DVD, even though my video was only 10 min.
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HELP! DVD Studio pro shows a 3GB movie as 88GB!

I am realy in deep troubles!
Doing a (volentary) documentation about my city, the final doc movie will be shown at 7.januar 2006.
Since 1 1/2 year i am working on DVD projekt and nearly finished.Suddenly DVD Studio pro goes crazy.
I have a lot experiances with iMovie and iDVD but not with Production Suite (FCP + DVD Studio pro) .Maybe i have some misstakes done with FCP or DVD studio pro. But i can't see what and why because during this periode i have burened and check it on TV couple of times bevor.I could cry.
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The forum and the helpers did guide me in the right direction.It was not logicaly to me why it work again.
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The output i imported into DVDStudio pro.The import was about 4 minute while bevor it was a few seconds!
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