Quarterdeck/Starnine Mail replacement (OS X)

Perhaps not the correct forum for this question, but doesn't really fit anywhere else.
Small office of about 30 employees. We run a very simple intra-office mail program called Quarterdeck or Starnine mail. The client and server software require OS 9/Classic. Our mail server is a simple G3 iMac. I have just bought a handful of new intel-based Macs. Goodbye Classic for those lucky enough to get a new computer.
We have used this simple mail program forever and of course it went away years ago. We use Entourage for Internet mail through an Exchange server maintained by a sister agency . I'm looking for a simple mail program for shooting messages around our office. Something OS X-compatible. Something unable to send messages across the Internet. Suggestions? Anyone?

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gg30340 wrote:
Have a read through this thread where concerns have been raised and answers given.
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have you read this thread? http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=292113&tstart=100
esp about disabling junk filter & quitting mail.
You're using junk filter in automatic mode?
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Quit mail
find the folder ~/library/Mail & drag a copy of the folder to the desktop (mouse + Alt) . Locate the file com.apple.mail.plist in ~/library/preferences/ & drag a copy of that to the desktop too.
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It's actually much worst than that. THe MOVE command works only intermittently to move blocks of messages. This is true for both the MOVE button in the toolbar and for attempting tm move by using the control-click menu for a selected group of messages.
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mail>prefs>rules>add rule>description:All Sent Mail>To Contains @>Coppy Message to All Sent Mail folder
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If Any Account is <Account in question> then Copy message to <local archive folder>
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Hi, there. I'm composing a message in Mail. I add a hyperhlink in the usual way. The hyperlink is specifically http://www.tonyakay.com/gallery/index2.html#5216418377758916353/1
However when I click on said hyperlink, Mail has replaced the # sign in the URL with a % sign. Now the hyperlink is broken.
I go back into the hyperlink to correct the character replacement and it displays as correct (with the # sign in tact).
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Tonyakay,
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I searched the archives and found some topics that I thought might apply, but none seemed to. So here is a new question.
I have two accounts in Mail, all are IMAP. Both are hosted on Dreamhost.
I am able to confirm this is a consistent behavior and not a one-off thing.
When contacts that are in my Address Book send me mail, I get an indicator in Mail's Dock icon that I have a message.
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Apple Mail lets me add AppleScripts which will be executed whenever this rule is being called.
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