Quest for the Ultra-Quiet PSU

Is anyone prepared to swear by any particular unit?
I can only speak to the Corsair HX1050 Gold, and while it's quiet enough on low-load tasks, there's no mistaking it for "whisper quiet" when playing video. Depending on background noise levels and whether audio is playing, that noise may not be noted. By its an unmistakable engine when playing HD video in a quiet room without an audio track. The source appears to be the PSU fan, and the sound insulation in the case doesn't appear to be much help.
How typical is this?

See the following noise curve from Newegg for the HX1050:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139034
And here is one for the new, very configurable, and pretty expensive AX1200i (I have theAX1200 which does not have the user configurable load vs. fan speed capability):
http://www.corsair.com/power-supply-units/ax-series-power-supply-units/ax1200i-digital-atx -power-supply-1200-watt-80-plus-platinum-certified-fully-modular-psu.html
So, let's say you are really pulling 450 watts.
For the AX1200i you would be at 37.5% load and from the chart, 10db (pretty darn quiet)
For your HX1050, you would be 43% loaded and from the chart at about 25db; every 3db of sound level makes a significant difference, so 15db is certainly substantial
Their charts show fan speed per load, but I'm pretty sure the fan speed is actually thermostatically controlled, so if the inlet for your p/s is getting warm air, it will be running faster for a given load.
My p/s is pulling air from underneath the case so it is the same temperature as the room. If yours is configured with the inlet from inside the case, then that air will indeed be warmer. For my Coolermaster case, I can choose which way the p/s is installed; your case may or may not allow for this mounting option.
Jim

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Hello All,
I was wondering if anyone has a Blue Ray Disk Drive connected to there T61? Can the T61 handle a Blue Ray Disk Drive? The reason I am asking is because I was thinking of getting one for my T61 and then playing Blue Ray movies thru my LCD TV, the LCD TV being monitor #2. Would the quality be as good as a normal Blue Ray player that is hooked to the TV? My graphics card is Nvidia Quadro NVS 140M. Thank you for in advance for any advice on this.
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Hi Singtoh,
Check whether following is compatible with your T61:-
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Quest for *THE* feed reader

If there's something with which I can never get satisfied, it's surely RSS readers/aggregators/whatever. We can divided them in two big groups:
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Desktop-based: Ah!, nothing beats the speed of running apps locally. But in my case, I don't have a RSS Reader running 24/7, so let me use our beloved xkcd feed to explain the problem:
Xkcd's feed shows only the last 4 entries. If I've stayed at home, I would receive 6 entries in a two-week period, but let's say I traveled for these two weeks. When I come back and turn on my RSS reader, I'll only have 4 entries. This is a problem that I guess it doesn't happen with Web-based readers (I may be wrong, though, it's been a long time since I used them).
We can narrow the problem a little more if we divide the Desktop-based feeders in two categories:
- text/ncurses based: lightweight, but lacks some functionality (e.g. snownwes)
- graphical: very good feature-wise, but are bigger (e.g. liferea).
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Ahh.. the rss reader.. the holy grail.
my wishes:
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- clean file formats (no gconf, preferrably no xml, just a simple config file)
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- html support
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- good "i have already read this" tracking
- low dependencies.
- xdg basedir compliance
- no bloat, gconf or xulrunner (byebye liferea,blam)
I'm now using the rssyl plugin in claws-mail, but:
- html not always rendered correctly (though it uses webkit. not sure where the problem is)
- alt tags don't work (not good if you follow xkcd)
- only one "profile" possible. (i would like to have different config files, eg one with feeds for work, one for personal etc)
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<es:forEachInArray array="<%=nodes%>" id="node" type="com.bea.content.Node" >
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the nodes <%=nodes%> statement fails.
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this to work or is it not predefined somewhere? Perhaps it too has had a name
change?
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Chris

FYI - if you're in love with the 'es' prefix, you can always just change
the <%@taglib%> directive's prefix attribute...
Greg
Chris wrote:
Nevermind, its been a really long day :) ... I forgot to set the id parameter ...
doh!
"Chris" <[email protected]> wrote:
Ok, I tried the following:
<pz:contentSelector rule="modern" id=""/>
<es:forEachInArray array="<%=nodes%>" id="node" type="com.bea.content.Node"
<%=request.getContextPath() + "/ShowBinary" + node.getPath()%>
</es:forEachInArray>
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So I tried
chaning es -> utility and was able to locate the appropriate taglib,
etc... However,
the nodes <%=nodes%> statement fails.
Am I supposed to declare an Object[] array named 'nodes' within the JSP
to get
this to work or is it not predefined somewhere? Perhaps it too has had
a name
change?
TIA
Chris

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the current power supply rip was an antec 480 truepower. It was ok but I'm looking for an ultra quiet supply, hope to here your recommendations. TIA.

Jason, I think he would have some trouble getting them shipped to Australia from one of those stores. Beside that it would be less from newegg, look at the additional 20% off promo and free shipping. For me it's 3 days from order to delivery from ZZf and newegg.
Yes, one of the Corsairs but not HX but as mentioned TX or VX, also PC P&C 610. Ignore watts, go by +12V amps and as FP mentioned consider future need for more power when choosing. Nowdays the VX450W (+12V~33A) would be considered minimum to get and also would be considered weak for many current systems.

Connect Be Quiet PSU RPM control connector to P55-GD65

Hi All,
Apparently you need to connect the RPM control connector that comes with the Be Quiet PSU to the Power Fan connector on the mobo.
Cant find thsi on the P55-GD65, where should I connect it too=
Thanks in advance for any help-

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Apparently you need to connect the RPM control connector that comes with the Be Quiet PSU to the Power Fan connector on the mobo.
Please don't!! It will fry the mainboard circuits.
Why do you think this is necessary? The mainboard has a fan controller and the CPU has one. These are seperate circuits & operating procedures. Under no circumstances should they be "connected".
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Apparently
What makes this seem an "apparent" step?

Quiet PSU suggestions

I am upgrading in the near future (see my sig) and wanted to make a quiet system that could also do some moderate overclocking (I'd be happy with 10-20%).
However, after lurking here for a while, it appears that the Antec 380W PSU with only 18A on 12V may not be up to the job. So I am looking for an alternative that would also be quiet.
The Enermax 465 and Aspire 500 seem to be popular choices, but how quiet are they? They have manual fan controllers, but can you really run them at low fan speeds?
Are there any other PSUs that would be quieter without significantly upping the cost? I looked at the Thermaltake Silent Purepower 480 but it only has 18A on 12V, and also at the Enermax Noisetaker series but they have dual 12V rails.
Thanks.

The Tagan 480 is the most quiet PSU i've ever used and i've used quite a few silent PSUs so far. The build quality is excellent and if you do some reading on other forums you'll find many people who agree. I own the 365W Enermax and it's significantly noiser in comparison (to my ears). According to reviews the Enermax is around 40dba and the Tagan peaks at 28dba (5dba = double the noise). I bought myself one after i realised how quiet it was when i built a pc for my friend. It's a really nice PSU.
BTW, game lag has nothing to do with the PSU. It's most likely your internet connection or hard drive.
Some general figures (correct me if i'm wrong):
In terms of amps on the 12v line:
1. PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool 510 (34a)
1. Enermax, OCZ (33a)
2. Tagan, Vantec (28a)
3. Seasonic (25a)
4. Antec (22a)
5. QTechnology, Zalman (18a)
6. SilentX (17a)
In terms of noise levels:
1. Tagan (using this now), Zalman (according to another user)
2. QTechnlogy, Seasonic, SilentX (I've tried the QTechnology and Seasonic)
3. OCZ (I read it's noiser than the Tagan even though they're the same inside)
4. Antec True Blue (from reviews)
5. Enermax (i've used the 365W version)
6. Vantec (very noisy according to reviews and boards)
* Don't know the exact noise levels of the Turbo-Cool but with a 40cfm outtake fan it should be on the bottom of the list in terms of noise.
Hope that helps!

Quiet PSU - antec Phantom 500

Hi there.
I am putting together a new HTPC. I have bought the K8N Diamond and i am wondering if the Antec Phantom 500 power supply would be a good choice. I am looking for a really quiet PSU and this seemed to fit the bill, but seeing i am new to all of this, i am not sure if its the right choice.
http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=24500
Thanks in advance!

Quote from: SAB on 03-August-05, 00:14:24
I am not really going to recommend a brand of PSU, but I will tell you what I have experience with.
Antec = Good
Aspire = O.K.
Enermax = Very Good
OCZ = Very Good
PC Power and Cooling = Very, Very Good
Tagan = Very Good
Any of these power supply makers will do you good, just be aware that with current CPU and high-end video cards, multiple optical and hard drives, it is best to look for a PSU with a healthy +12v rail of 20 to 24amps or more. No PSU under 350W is approved by AMD for their Athlon64's, so go with a 400+ wattage rating. Look for a PSU that is compliant with newer motherboards....24-Pin main connector, 2~6-Pin connectors if running dual 6800 and up video cards. A healthy amount of SATA connectors, a 4-pin connector for CPU power......I am currently building a system to test PSU's with dual rail +12v lines, as I don't recommend those at the present.
"PC Power and Cooling = Very, Very Good" wish I could get 1

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Daniel Pennell

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Any word on a fix for the Maps App?

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Yes, i 'm Apple customer and so they know what I like to buy. Great, I buy more if they produce good products that I like.
The big difference is you are not google customer, you are google asset, the advertiser are their customer. Do I have to tell you more how google do their business? Wake up, all these freebies are there for a reason.
I prefer Apple Maps anytime and it is getting better as we speak.
Oh my, there is little more silly than someone who accuses another of being naive and in doing so, reveal there own naivety.
You didn't know that Apple gathers as much usage data as Google? Really? How do you think they plan to make their maps better? Why do you think they want their own mapping app?
Mapping is huge business and Apple wants some of that action for themselves. That AND Jobs stating that he wanted to go thermo-nuclear on Google are the primary reasons why Google Maps was replaced by Apple Maps.
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http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/11/google-not-optimistic-apple-will-approve-it s-upcoming-ios-maps-app/?comments=1#comments-bar
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K8N -Thanks for the help - Need to be a little quieter

AIM: to build an ass kicking video editing & music production PC
Just wanted to say thanks to the peeps who contribute to this forum. Although I have only just registered I have been coming here for the past month and have put together all the missing pieces of my first ever PC Build project. My previous experience was to upgrade the odd part. This forum has enabled me to make the equipment choices, tackle the engineering & build (including fitting the CPU fan which was my worst worry), update the bios & load the drivers & software in the correct order. 99% of the items have been sourced from eBay to save money and so far no DOA's.
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Finally, the case Tsunami Dream case is a little noisy. I just purchased some acoustic absorption mats to help. Has anyone had any luck changing the stock Tsunami 120mm fans to quieter ones?
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Hi. Happy you have found the forum helpful.
I would buy a good PSU first. Otherwise you risk damaging your new equiment. Recommended makes are Enermax, Tagan, Hiper and OCZ with amps on the 12 rail at least in the mid twenties, but preferably around 30.
For video cards, I have preferred nvidia-based cards in recent years because of their better driver support. The 6800GT is a good choice. The ultra version, IMHO, is not worth the added cost since you can ususally OC the GT ot ultra speeds.
Raptors in RAID offer the best performace but suffer a big price premium over 7200 SATA drives.
I would leave the Audio issue for last. You just might like the on-board audio.
Deciding whether to chage the case might be the very first thing to decide since it would be awfully inconvenient to install everything and then have to resinstall because of a case change. I wish there was a way to get a totally silent case/fan combo, but I don't. Maybe someone else will help you on this.
Good luck.

It's my PSU enough for the K8N Neo 4 Plat. Sli

I have an Nspire PSU 450W
+12 25A
+5 40A
+3.3 28A
It is enough for...
K8N Neo 4 Platinum Sli
AMD Athlon 64 3500+
MSI NX6600GT-TD128E
PCI Video Capture card
Zalman Ultra Quiet CPU Cooler
HD SeaGate Barracuda 120GB
CD-ROM
DVD/CD-RW
??????????????????????????

Dude, if you're even thinking about SLI on your new K8N Neo 4 Platinum SLI mobo, you should forget about that Aspire PSU (unless you want to fry everything in your Rig) and bite the bullet and get a PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool® 510 SLI (510W) http://www.frozencpu.com/psu-151.html.

Probably the most correct PSU calculator you can use for MSI K8N Nvidia Neo's

Syar & Shanks PSUCalc
Given the issues we see in the forum from lack of understanding of power supply requirements
& the variation in users experiences, Syar had the original idea to setup a PSU Calculator & invited me to get involved.
The result is an Excel Spreadsheet
For Pre Office 2003
Download Link - PSUCalc - PSUCalcv1.82.xls
For Office 2003
Download Link - PSUCalc - PSUCalc2003.v2
Features:-
1) Select CPU
2) Select Gfx Card Press SLI button if applicable.
3) Allows for Overclocking impact By:-
Selecting CPU Voltage, Lower CPU Multiplier, Select Htt/FSB speed.
4) User Selectable Power supply Load target. For PSU to run efficiently, Quietly & cooler
It can't run @100%, generally accepted load Target is 80% of Maximum.
5) Enter PSU Specs by rail. The spreadsheet will then indicate wether the PSU is acceptable.
6) Variable Load calculations - Enable impact of idle & different % component activity to be seen. Graphics has (L)oad (3d) & (I)dle (2d) settings - All others on % load.
7) Enter Inputs in Colour Coded Cells.
The Spreadsheet uses US/UK Formating & so does not conform to European conention eg 1.56 US/UK to 1,56 Europe. To get round this European users should:-
Point to programs - Microsoft Office - Office Tools - Languages
Then set office language as us-English or uk-english as default .
Inside excel select tools - options - international-tab
Remove the tick on "use system separators" and enter . as the separator in the "desimal separator" box .
As somebody said Quote
Uk and US is as far as i know the only countrys in the world using . as desimal seperator .
For anyone interested comments are around that show the basis of key calculations. CPU values have been derived from.
1) AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor Power and Thermal Data Sheet
2) Thermal and Electrical Specification of 8th generation AMD Processors
Thanks goes to Carlsberg without it this project might have been a lot harder

PSUCalcv1.8
This is an update of the pre 2003 version.
THe major change is the addition of a Component Detail section below the Main screen similar to that found in the 2003
version.
Without VBA the lists used in the 2003 version using Data verificartion cannot be dynamically updated. So the Component Detail section in this version allows the user to enter data for specific components themselves.
This means that you have thae ability of getting a fairly accurate estimate of power usage using the default power settings, which will be adequate for troubleshooting PSU Issues or helping to choose a new supply. By entering custom data a very accurate model can be created.
The accuracy basically revolves around how average is an an average(ok whats the SD for statisticians) This is best shown with an example. This is the List in the 2003 version all of which can be specifcally selected. in this version only a single value can be selected :-
Hard Drives     3.3v   5v   12v
all WD Caviar Sata   0.00   4.00   5.40
Generic PATA     0.00   8.00   17.00
Generic SATA     0.00   4.00   8.00
Maxtor DM10      0.00   4.29   7.95** Used as Default
Maxtor DM9/DM10 sata   0.00   4.29   7.95
None     0.00   0.00   0.00
Seagate sata 120gb   0.00   4.50   8.00
WD raptor     0.00   3.50   4.20
So to take an extreme example if using 2 Generic Pata drives the default will understate consumption etc.,
To set up Cusytom user data:-
1) Enter Description
2) Select component Category using the row list selector & choosing:-
GFX   Graphics Card
CPUF   CPU Fan
FAN   Fans
CD   Dvd/CD
HD   Hard Drives
PCI   PCI/PCI-E
This ensures that the component is added to the relevent category in the summary sheet.
2) Enter the Watts used for the component (Normal running/Load) 3.3v,5v,12v.
3) Enter Number of the component used.
4) Optional Select Variable load %
As in the previous version you can use the default values However the entry point has now moved from the main form to the summary section of the component detail section. Just enter the number of items against each category.
CPU Fan
Fans
Dvd/CD
Hard Drives
PCI/PCI-E
The Variable load % for default components are in the orange user cells in Column L of the summary sheet as b4.
Summary :-
If you haven't got office 2003 or don't like to many lists & buttons This is the version 4 you.
2003 has more inbuilt component choices & data lists can be easily added.
The Same Set up steps need to be taken
1) Non US/UK - regional windows settings other than us/uk
2) Excel Addins

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It is now running after being without power most of the day.
Thanks.

Hello Peter,
ultra 10 remote access
did you obtain the USB-Serial adapter for your notebook or have another system with a serial port available?
I would suggest that you attach to the serial port of the Ultra 10 and review the output.
Just a blank screen after the keyboard is acknowledged
Maybe the system is running full-diagnostics. Check if the keyboard is properly attached.
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