Question about closed captioning

Hello all,
I have a quick question about closed captioning. I've output broadcast shows to Mini-DV which has been transferred to BETA SP with no problems. Another station requires the BETA tapes with closed captioning on them. The company doing the captioning has requested that the tapes be originals that have never been dubbed to BETA. Does it make a difference? Or can the same DV tapes I supplied the first station still be used?
Thanks in advance...

Thrillcat's got it.
You might want to ask for a captioned DV (more likely DVCam) dub as well, so you can have the CC on any dubs you do. DV and variants store CC in a mysterious place called "VAUX data", and as long as the deck respects it (many mini-DV decks don't) the CC will be passed through FireWire. You can FireWire it back into FCP and it will stay with the program.
If you're doing the above ask if the video itself is a digital DV clone. That may not be the normal case, as standard old-fashioned Line 21 is normally inserted in an analogish way.
Oliver, your posts still don't make it clear if DV is the best format you can output. That should be the major factor in what you give them. If you are equipped to output to BetaSP, DVCPro50, etc. while avoiding a DV compression, your program will thank you.

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