Question about DNG converter in Bridge CS4

Hello,
I just installed Photoshop CS4, When I updated, it downloaded a hefty update (199 megs), so my setup now is:
Win XP pro
Bridge 3.0.0.464
Camera RAW 5.7
Photoshop CS4 11.0.2
My Camera is a Panasonic Lumix FZ150 ( 2011 vintage)
I have downloaded the Adobe DNG converter 6.6.0.261
Every thing seems to be working fine so far, except:
In Bridge when I "get Photos from Camera" the DNG conversion doesn't work. When I use the standalone converter it works fine.
From reading past material on this forum I am assuming this is due to the fact that Bridge is older than my camera, and doesn't recognize the format.
The questions:
1. Does Bridge have its own built in DNG converter that is not upgradeable separately?
2. If 1 is correct, is there a way to point Bridge to the location of the standalone converter so the work flow can be optimized.
3. Since Bridge is not doing the conversion, but only importing the files, does the "Apply metadata" section of that window actually do anything? Should I bother to fill in any of those boxes?
Thanks for any help.

I posted a similar question quite a while ago, and what I learned was that Bridge has a DNG converter built in, but it's using ACR to read the file before it can convert. So you need ACR support for your camera.
AFAIK there's no way to point Bridge to a standalone DNG converter.
I suggested an updateable DNG converter plugin for Bridge, don't know why nobody listened...I thought it was an excellent idea
As for the metadata, you just have to try. I don't know if it can write metadata when it can't read the file.

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1) Is the Current DNG 5.5 only useable in CS4?
The DNG converter is a stand-alone program, i.e. it is running without CS, LR or Bridge. 5.5 is the version of the program code (click on About in the dialog). The "usability" is determined rather by the version of the DNG format: older versions of CS do not support features, which have been introduced in newer DNG format versions.
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