Question about EIGRP's feasible successor

Hi,
I read article "Who's Afraid of DUAL-3-SIA?" on http://www.cisco.com/en/US/partner/about/ac123/ac114/ac173/Q2-05/tech_routing.html
there is a sample to explain a new IOS feature.
But I have a question about that sample,
why Router C can't be Router A's feasible successor?
IF C is A's feasible successor, A can declare C as the alternate route as soon as receive B's query.
Am I misunderstanding the concept of feasible successor? can anybody give me some hint?
thank you all!
Regards,
sha

HI Sha,
There is no mention of any values for bandwidth and load in the topology in that link.
What I see that the link between router A to Router B is gigabit which means the bandwidth will be gbps. Now the link between Router A to Router C is only T1 which will be 1.54 MBPS. Much difference.
Now when Eigrp will calculate the metric the best metric will be from router C and that will become the best path. Now it will also check the reported distance from router C. If the reported distance from Router C will be more then the best metric which is been calculated from Router B it will never become feasible succ.
In short to become the feasilbe succ its reported dist should be less then the Feasible distance.
This link will give a better pic.
http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/103/eigrp-toc.html#eigrpmetrics
HTH
Ankur

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    >
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    SET SERVEROUTPUT ON has the effect of executing dbms_output.get_lines after each and every statement. Not only related to system view.
    Here below what Tom Kyte is explaining in this page:
    Now, sqlplus sees this functionality and says "hey, would not it be nice for me to dump this buffer to screen for the user?". So, they added the SQLPlus command "set serveroutput on" which does two things
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    2) SQLPLUS automatically calls the dbms_output API "enable" to turn on the buffering that happens in the package.Regards.
    Al

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