Question regarding Phantom assembly

Hi
I need to raise a rpoduction order for a material A . I need to supply B and C to produce A which in turn are In House produced materials.Do I make B and C as phantom assembly and instead of raising 3 production orders i can only raise 1
Regards,
PradeepM.

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pradeep19842010 wrote:
> Hi
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> I need to raise a rpoduction order for a material A . I need to supply B and C to produce A which in turn are In House produced materials.Do I make B and C as phantom assembly and instead of raising 3 production orders i can only raise 1
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> Regards,
> PradeepM.
1. Hi In your case you cannot make the same since B&C are not phantom,
2. The are real materials - you need to procure them or prodcue them to have the C produced.
For example - in case before you make A you assemble B + C as X and then you do some operation to get A..
in such case your X becomes a logical grouping so you can make X as phantmo material . So when you create the demand for A the requirement will be directly passed on to B and C.
3. Only in such condition you need to make phantom..
i have the strucuture below.
Parent -Mat A
intemittennt =X
comp1=MatB
Comp2=MatC
thanks andreg
Dsk

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Dear ,
Couple of points on this issue which may help you understand the problem : Bom Explosion With Phantom Assemblies will happen based on the following set up .
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Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:15 PM
Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:18 PM

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Phantom Assembly:
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But can anybody tell me, In the above where should we maintain the sp prc key 50.. In the fron wheel or in the rear wheel...
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Hi,
"In the above where should we maintain the sp prc key 50.. In the fron wheel or in the rear wheel..."
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Sub : Incorrect quantity and Bucket for component in scenario of Phantom Assembly
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Edited by: Alok Kumar Tiwari on Feb 29, 2012 11:39 AM

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Hi All,
We are using phantom assembly as a BOM component.
When we create a planed order from MD03 or MD02 and try to convert this planed order to production order the components of Phantom assembly are not explode in production order. When I tried with read PP master data option it get explode.
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Dear ,
Couple of points on this issue which may help you understand the problem : Bom Explosion With Phantom Assemblies will happen based on the following set up .
1. You need to maintain the special procurement key-50 for the phantom Assembly
in the MRP 2 View of the material master
2. We can override the Phantom Assembly Setting by defining in SPRO --->
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Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:15 PM
Edited by: Jiaul Haque on Jun 14, 2010 2:18 PM

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