QuickCam Ultra Vision (Righlight 2) vs 10.5

Maybe I can get a suggestion here:
I bought a new (now 6 months) old Logitech QuickCam Ultra Vision with Righlight 2. With Tiger 10.4, it worked like a charm out of the box, and, on iChat and Skype it was recognized as a Logitech Camera with no problems (all third party iSight applications also played well with it.)
Enter 10.5 Panther,... iChat no longer recognizes it, on Skype you can only see a frozen video still on the video preferences window. Oddities: On Skype, camera selection went from "Logitech Camera" only, to "Logitech Camera"/"Leopard iSight Video."
If (on Skype) I select "Logitech Camera," frozen video still "feature;" If I select "Leopard iSight Video,"
it will play for a couple seconds before it bombs,... so, no video with QuickCam Ultra Vision and Panther.
Query: has any other owners experience this, and found a fix, or does anybody know of one?. Help will be appreciated.
Minor FYI: camera is directly connected to G5's USB2 port instead of the hub. Incoming video works only on Skype only, the same with two way voice comm.

Hello BobGuthrie
I do not use a Logitech camera, but because it is a UVC webcam, it should work with your Leopard Mac. I am not so certain about whether the Logitech software might cause problems if you have added or migrated it to your Leopard install. Perhaps some other reader can help you with that info.
If you updated via your Mac's Software Update... feature, you can download and apply the Mac OS X 10.5.2 Combo Update. Be sure to repair permissions before running the updater AND again after the restart that finishes the update.
Users have reported fixes to a variety of audio, video, connectivity, and software conflicts and unreliability issues after properly applying Combo Updates.
If you do not get the help you need here, perhaps you will get better responses from Logitech Support. They even offer telephone or email support and will surely be able to tell you if there are known issues with your system.
If you have not searched or posted in the dedicated Logitech forum, you might find something helpful in threads like this one that include considerable input from other QC Ultra Vision users.
Please let us know how it goes.
Cheers,
EZ Jim
PowerBook 1.67 GHz w/Mac OS X (10.4.11) G5 DP 1.8 w/Mac OS X (10.5.2) External iSight

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Trying 3 320 240
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Trying 3 176 144
Trying 3 352 288
Trying 3 768 576
Trying 4 160 120
Trying 4 320 240
Trying 4 640 480
Trying 4 176 144
Trying 4 352 288
Trying 4 768 576
Trying 5 160 120
Trying 5 320 240
Trying 5 640 480
Trying 5 176 144
Trying 5 352 288
Trying 5 768 576
Trying 6 160 120
Trying 6 320 240
Trying 6 640 480
Trying 6 176 144
Trying 6 352 288
Trying 6 768 576
Trying 7 160 120
Trying 7 320 240
Trying 7 640 480
Trying 7 176 144
Trying 7 352 288
Trying 7 768 576
Trying 8 160 120
Trying 8 320 240
Trying 8 640 480
Trying 8 176 144
Trying 8 352 288
Trying 8 768 576
Trying 9 160 120
Trying 9 320 240
Trying 9 640 480
Trying 9 176 144
Trying 9 352 288
Trying 9 768 576
Trying 10 160 120
Trying 10 320 240
Trying 10 640 480
Trying 10 176 144
Trying 10 352 288
Trying 10 768 576
Trying 11 160 120
Trying 11 320 240
Trying 11 640 480
Trying 11 176 144
Trying 11 352 288
Trying 11 768 576
Trying 12 160 120
Trying 12 320 240
Trying 12 640 480
Trying 12 176 144
Trying 12 352 288
Trying 12 768 576
Trying 13 160 120
Trying 13 320 240
Trying 13 640 480
Trying 13 176 144
Trying 13 352 288
Trying 13 768 576
Trying 14 160 120
Trying 14 320 240
Trying 14 640 480
Trying 14 176 144
Trying 14 352 288
Trying 14 768 576
Trying 15 160 120
Trying 15 320 240
Trying 15 640 480
Trying 15 176 144
Trying 15 352 288
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