QuickSilver G4-800 & IOGear GUF320

Hello all...
I have a QuickSilver Power Macintosh G4 800 running Mac OS X 10.4.7. The onboard Firewire failed, and the machine came to me with a Sonnet Allegro FW400 board installed. This wasn't a very good card, so I replaced it with an IOGear GUF320 FW400/USB 2.0 combo card.
This new card works great in every regard, but at every startup I get the message that a device on the USB bus has caused an overcurrent condition and will be turned off. Trouble is--there's nothing connected to the USB or Firewire busses on the card. This behavior doesn't change with devices connected.
Every attached device works fine, no matter what port I use, so to try and gain more insight as to the problem, I checked the system log in Console. Here's what I found:
"Aug 21 10:18:10 MasterMac kernel[0]: USB Notification: The device "EHCI Root Hub Simulation" @ 0x73000000 has caused an overcurrent condition. The hub it is attached to has been disabled"
It looks like there's a hardware issue here...a test point that's been mistakenly left active or something. Other than complaining to IOGear, is there anything that can be done to force the computer to ignore this portion of the hardware?

I finally just threw the card in the garbage because it went from "not working" to "really not working" and acted badly even when installed in a PC.
I now have two separate Firewire and USB cards. The Firewire one works great, the USB card is still iffy.

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Hi @ all
Is there any way to make a Quicksilver G4 (dual 800) more quiet? Now my Quicksilver is very loud so I can't make my work while the System is on. I thought about changing the PSU-Fan and the Case-Fan.
Is there a possybility to change the Heatsink that is installed now to copper or any other Heatsink?
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System Profiler:
Chipset Model: GeForce FX 5200
Type: Display
Bus: AGP
Slot: SLOT-1
VRAM (Total): 128 MB
Vendor: nVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0321
Revision ID: 0x00a2
ROM Revision: 2060
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ADI 5P:
Resolution: 1024 x 768 @ 75 Hz
Depth: 32-bit Color
Core Image: Supported
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
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Unresolved kernel trap(cpu 0): 0x300 - Data access DAR=0x000000004915C34E PC=0x000000003FEC4E14
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Exception state (sv=0x39142A00)
PC=0x3FEC4E14; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x4915C34E; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x3FEC0618; R1=0x228BBB40; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
Backtrace:
0x00032E98 0x3FEC0618 0x3FEADC74 0x002E9A80 0x002EB94C 0x0008C248
0x00029234 0x000233F8 0x000ABEAC 0x00000000
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com.apple.GeForce(4.1.8)@0x3fea2000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x3291f000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.4.2)@0x3fb33000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.4.2)@0x3fbba000
dependency: com.apple.NVDAResman(4.1.8)@0x3fbd0000
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x39142A00)
previously dumped as "Latest" state. skipping...
Exception state (sv=0x4972AA00)
PC=0x9000AF48; MSR=0x0000F030; DAR=0x02D4A000; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x9000AE9C; R1=0xF0283F20; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)
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Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 18:26:00 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC
panic(cpu 0 caller 0xFFFF0003): 0x300 - Data access
Latest stack backtrace for cpu 0:
Backtrace:
0x000954F8 0x00095A10 0x00026898 0x000A8204 0x000ABB80
Proceeding back via exception chain:
Exception state (sv=0x39142A00)
PC=0x3FEC4E14; MSR=0x00009030; DAR=0x4915C34E; DSISR=0x40000000; LR=0x3FEC0618; R1=0x228BBB40; XCP=0x0000000C (0x300 - Data access)
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0x00032E98 0x3FEC0618 0x3FEADC74 0x002E9A80 0x002EB94C 0x0008C248
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com.apple.GeForce(4.1.8)@0x3fea2000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(1.7)@0x3291f000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(1.4.2)@0x3fb33000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(1.4.2)@0x3fbba000
dependency: com.apple.NVDAResman(4.1.8)@0x3fbd0000
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PC=0x9000AF48; MSR=0x0000F030; DAR=0x02D4A000; DSISR=0x42000000; LR=0x9000AE9C; R1=0xF0283F20; XCP=0x00000030 (0xC00 - System call)
Kernel version:
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