Quiet Internal Hard Drives

Hello all,
I have a new MacPro with 2X 500GB internal hard drives (Seagate...from the Mac Store). The problem is that the hard drives are just too noisy. I know noise is subjective but these are rattling away at a level which is unacceptable.
Does anyone have a suggestion as to a quieter hard drive solution?
I would be very grateful for any help.
Cheers,
Mark

I have one Western Digital and 3 Seagate drives in the case of my G4 Quicksilver, all very quiet, at least I think they are. Could be the fan of my ATI card drowns them all out!
I have Seagates in firewire enclosures that are very quiet. I think I would open your case up and track down the rattlers.

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