Radeon 9500-9700 and KT400 (MSI KT4V)

hey,
I currently use a Radeon 8500 with an MSI KT4V (KT400 chipset) mobo. Can I safely upgrade to a Radeon 9500/9700 video card -- I understand that these cards are quite power hungry and to be safe I'll also be upgrading my 350W PSU (3.3+5V=216W) to an Antec 400W+ PSU.
Are there any other issues with regards compatibility (I know that there are some issues with Linux and KT400's AGP 3.0/8X support, but I only plan on using WinXP Pro). Would I need the AGP8X/AGP 3.0 to AGP4X/AGP 2.0 hardware hack in order to use my video card (as the current motherboard BIOS doesn't allow me to set the AGP mode)?
Also I've read many posts on Usenet and the MSI forums regarding problems with the earlier versions of the Radeon 9500/9700 cards -- have these issues been addressed in the later revisions of these cards (or the Radeon 9600/9800 series??)
Any other issues with regards BIOS revisions, VIA 4-in-1 drivers, etc that I need to be aware about?
best,
vin

bogeyman,
i'm not pointing fingers at msi or via or ati. all i want to know is whether i can safely use an ati dx9 series video card with my msi/via kt400 mobo. i've read several posts with varied workarounds and am confused as hell. considering that a 9500 would cost around $200, i just want to be safe than sorry. here are some of the workarounds i've read about:
1. 8x to 4x hardware hack
2. increasing agp voltage to 1.7-1.8 (still don't know how this is possible as an agp3.0/8x card uses 0.8volts if i remember correctly)
3. uninstalling the via hyperion agp drivers (does this degrade performance considerably? i know the default winxp drivers don't have fast write capability)
4. setting agp speed to 4x using powerstrip (provided i can boot )
5. changing the psu
6. avoid sharing of IRQs with the radeon video card
so all i'm looking for is a "sure, go ahead and spend $200, but also remember to do this..."
best,
vin
ps: i've been running an ati radeon 8500 card for 18 months now and i love it, but sadly it's become a bottleneck in newer games.

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