Radeon 9800 in a 7200 (with Sonnet Crescendo); 9.2x ATI drivers?

I know I know...why waste the time (and money).
The card works on 9.1 but wanted to see if anyone knew if:
OS9 Helper would be worth a try, or extracting the 9.2x ATI files using the TomeViewer? I have no real need of anything else in 9.2x
The Crescendo is obviously my obstacle...so I guess I could copy system folder and give it a go (w/o hope of the processor upgrade working).
Besides forgetting about this entirely, is there any this else I could try? I'm just looking to get optimal page draws/graphics performance.
Thanks in advance,
DHS

David,
I probably didn't make my point clearly. This was something that a lot of users experienced when the card first came out.
Here's what I should have posted:
1) Installing the ATI drivers from their bundled CD over existing OS9 drivers (my old ones were for the original Radeon Mac Edition) would cause severe problems including failure to boot.
2) Removing one OS extension (I forget which one) allowed the computer to run in 9, but with no video acceleration.
3) Trashing all ATI extensions, then installing from the CD, and OS9 worked, although I find the 9200 less stable in 9 than in X.
I hope newer downloadable driver packages have improved the situation.
OSX discovery: Although the 3D acceleration was there in X, the drivers (either CD or latest downloads) whacked my 2D performance. The Dock, scrolling, moving windows, all went jerky. A benchmark test showed that 2D performance had dropped over 25 percent. I reinstalled Jag, did not install the 9200 drivers and everything was fine with the ATI drivers that Jag installed. Same with Panther. I did not add any extra ATI drivers to what Panther already had. Works fine, even with a VRAM-hungry flight sim.

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Hello,
I have just purchased a 23" Cinema Display. The first one I got in the store exhibited ghosting effects that ceased to exist after a few hours (self healing effect?) and I also noticed after a while using it, that the left side and especially the lower corner were darker than the rest.
So I took it back yesterday and got a new one which is close to perfect. Neither of them had any dead pixels! I am very pleased with it and knocking on wood, hope that it stays that way;-)
My hardware: The display is hooked up to a G4 MDD dual 1,25 with a Radeon 7000 pci card and a Radeon 9800 Pro AGP card. The latter card was put in for the Radeon 9000 pro that came with the computer. So far I have been running a dual display setup with a 21 and a 17 inch CRT.
Now comes my problem:
I calibrated the cinema display hooked up to the 9800 Pro with the eye-one and the eye-one match software. The profile I got was not a smooth curve, but a zigzag curve. Of course that is by no means usable for anything.
By numerous trial and error attempts, I did find out the following:
- If I calibrate with the eye-one, I can have only one monitor hooked up to the computer, otherwise I will always get zigzag curves in the profile.
- If I look at numerous testcharts(greyscale, etc.) with the newly created profile, all looks very good and in specs. As soon as I hook up the second monitor again, something changes on the cinema display, even though the profile has not changed. My testcharts look a bit contrastier and on the greyscale the two darkest and lightest fields do not seperate anymore.
Rebooting does not help either. As soon as I unplug the second monitor, everything looks perfect again.
I know that this is an unusual issue but I hope that someone here has a clue to where the problem could be. I have tested so much and do not find a solution.
I will call the apple hepldesk, but I already know what they will say:"The display is working as designed. Your issue has to do with the graphics card and that is a third party product. You have to call ATI for support".
So, maybe I can get some help here.
Cheers
Peter

Hi Bryanus,
Did you have an ADC port on your old card? Do you still have your old card? If this is the case, you can verify that the new card is implicated by re-installing your old card and seeing whether the problem repeats itself.
If you only have DVI on your old card, you would have to borrow an adaptor, but then you are relying on the adaptor to function properly.
If the problem doesn't repeat itself with your old card being used, then the new card is the culprit, in which case I'd ask to have it replaced, or get a refund.
If the problem does repeat itself with the old card, then you might want to consider other possible contributing factors such as the physical state of the monitor connection (dirty or tarnished contacts, bent pins etc.).
If the problem repeats itself with a new (replacement) card, you could add AGP slot issues to the above paragraph.
"Sleep" in an Apple Mac often generates issues with third party hardware, so your primary consideration that it is probably the card is (to me anyway) still the most likely.
All the best with the diagnosis!
Cheers!
Karl

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Today I got the 30' and plugged it to my PC (old radeon 9800 pro as video card), dvi connection. But after displaying the windows XP logo, the whole screen starts to flash in different colors - right, nothing was displayed but all those colors. Checked all the cables, connection, not work; and stwiched back to my old sony 19', it's fine.. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Hi-
Welcome to Discussions!
The 9800 does not have a dual link DVI as required to support the 30" ACD. Though the 30" can probably be used at a maximum resolution of 1920x1200 on a 9800, you will need to set the resolution through your display controls. The 9800, though, will not support the 30" at optimum resolution. You will need a different graphics card with a dual link DVI.
If you don't have the WinACD driver, you may want that.

Having trouble with my G4 MDD 867MHz DP and ATi Radeon 9800 Pro video card.

I just recently purchased the ATi Radeon 9800 Pro Mac edition card on ebay. I installed the card on my G4 and turned it on thinking everything would work with no problems, but when I turned it on the grey apple screen came up fine and then it changed to a sky-blue screen with nothing on it and remained on that screen. My desktop or any of my apps did not load up at all. I reset the PRAM and the NVRAM as the seller I bought the card from instructed me to and still I get the same result. Is anyone familiar with this problem? I was wondering if my monitor was the problem because I'm using a Dell LCD monitor as the display for right now? I need help! I'm trying to get this up and running so I can start editing. Whatever information anyone can give me will be greatly appreciated!

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When this happens, the MenuBar and cursor may be drawn perfectly, but be on the "other" screen, and it is very difficult to determine what has happened. \[This problem is sometimes caused by inadvertently leaving an adapter or cable on an unused display port.]
Try moving the mouse many times to the right to see if the cursor suddenly transitions onto your screen, then try the same experiment to the left.

[Athlon64] MSI K8T NEO-V : incompatibility with ATI RADEON 9800 PRO

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I read all the subjets on this forum about Radeon problems with MSI K8T NEO motherboard. Most of the peple can't use their graphic card in all situations.
My PC is :
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I bought a new MSI K8T NEO-V with AMD 64.
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But in AGP 4X, all the game run without problem with all setups of BIOS !!!
I tried all the drivers (the new and the old drivers). Even if all are updated, it freeze.
There are no BIOS update for my motherboard. I saw that some people had BIOS update for compatibility with some Radeon cards ...
So, I don't know how to repair the problem because AGP 8X is AGP 8X and not 4X, and my Radeon run fine on other computer, and nothing say that Radeon 9800 pro don't run on this motherboard.
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What Bas said about 30+ amps on the 12v rail does have merit. Even if you don't use it now there may come a time when you want to upgrade the system and certainly you won't want to buy yet another PSU then. A High end vid card now takes almost as much as the CPU to operate. Now days the 12v rail is the most important. Past systems regulated everything off the 5v railk and 12v was used mostly for powering drive motors. Now though the MB's use the 12v line to regulate all the voltages for the CPU, Chipset and other features as does the Vid cards. 3.3 volt lines are used for memory so we hardly use any 5v nowdays.
You have an older viod card and that does not eat much 12v but if you upgrade the most likely peice will be the vid card. You could go through this whole thing all over again if you are not careful to plan for that now with a new PSU purchase.
If the computer shop gives you a bunch of bull about power needs havbe them stop by the forum and we can help set them straight on this. There is more than enough data from MSI and historical data here that suggests that 16a on the 12v rail is certainly not enough. Hey I am not trying to sell you anything. I am just trying to help you get it right. The computer shop is the one trying to sell you something we just feel they are selling the wrong junk.

Radeon 9800 Pro (128MB) on G4 with lots of artifacts

Hi there,
I recently bought a radeon 9800 pro (mac version) over ebay. I put it into a d1ghz (quicksilver with 1.5GB of Ram. Everything seems to work fine, however, the screen flickers ever so slightly after the ripple effect in the dashboard. Yet this is not really what bugs me: Any game (and probably other applications as well) which uses Core Image produces huge artifacts. There are just random screen-filling bits sticking out the ground...
How do I get rid of this? I already checked all the connections, ran software update, downloaded the most recent drivers and tried downclocking the graphics card.... (I also think that I cleared NV- and PRAM, but I am not sure... )
What am I forgetting?
Thanks already, dl33

Hi. I had the same problem, but it was a 500 mhz Sawtooth. I was told it was either a power issue or a heat issue. So I upgraded the power supply from 237 watts to 400 watts. It seemed to help, but it started doing the same thing. After wasting a lot of time and money with power supplies and soldering and adding fans, etc, I looked at the fan on the card. Like you, I bought mine used. The guy said it worked flawlessly. When I first got it and experienced the problems, I checked the fan. It wasn't the stock fan, was a unit from Arctic Cooling. The fan was spinning, but it said that air should be blown out the exhaust, and I felt none. Upon closer inspection it turned out that the fan was defective. It was constantly speeding up/slowing down, and it was supposed to be a single speed fan...not good. But by the time I figured that out, the card had been fried. I got a new unit from Arctic Cooling, but the card no longer works.
Might want to check the fan and make sure it's spinning. Your power supply should be sufficient since I believe the QS's had 344 watt PSU's.
One thing I forgot to mention was that underclocking it usually helped. I had to underclock it a good amount, though. I believe it was around 20%.
Hope this helps.
Matt

What would you replace an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (256MB) with?

Hi,
I started a thread before asking whether I could replace a 256MB card with a 128MB card, even though the interface was a different shape.
But, as I know so little about Macs and graphics card, it seems wiser to ask
What would you replace an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (256MB) with?
The computer is user for photo editing and normal internet/email use. The photo editing is done on Adobe Photoshop for professional treatment of photographs.
The computer is a Power Mac G5 (1.6GHz) and budge is £80 / $120.
Thanks in advance, Franc.

Hi-
Please check my recommendations in your other thread.
Better options for the 9800 Pro are the Radeon 9800 XT, Geforce 6800 GT, Geforce 6800 Ultra, or if one has the money or finds a good deal, a Radeon X800 XT.
For your budget and uses, the Geforce cards are a performance value buy.
BTW, I have owned all of the cards, used all of the cards, and tested all of the cards.
Graphics Cards- ATI and Nvidia
See my testing pages starting here:
Page 1: Open GL

Can I replace an ATI RADEON 9800 PRO-(256MB)-MAC EDITION with Mac ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb Video Card For G4/G5

Hi,
I am trying to help a friend whose graphics card has bust.
The old one was an ATI RADEON 9800 PRO-(256MB)-MAC EDITION.
I've been looking on ebay and it seems a lot cheaper to get a Mac ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb Video Card For G4/G5.
Can I just swap them over? The connectors are not identical according to the photographs.
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I'd like to thank everyone for all the really useful information in this thread. It helped me solve a similar problem, which I'll describe here briefly in case it helps someone else.
I have a 2004/5 dual 2 Ghz PowerPC G5 and an Apple Cinema HD display linked, as I later found out, with the now defunct ADC connector. The display suddenly started to look like that scene in The Matrix, when code falls like rain down the screen, and I worked out I needed to replace my Radeon 9800 pro video card (I discovered the board was blue when I removed a thick layer of dust).
I took japamac's excellent advice and bought a Geforce 6800 Ultra from the linked eBay seller in Hong Kong, who delivered it extremely quickly, along with the cables to plug it into the DVD drive power source and a CD with installation instructions. It was only then that I realised the card had two DVI connectors and my display needed ADC (I hadn't understood the difference).
eBay came to the rescue again with a seller who had a secondhand DVI to ADC adapter, which Apple produced when it phased out ADC about six years ago but no longer sells. It has its own power supply and looks like a large version of the Mac laptop power cables - and has added signifcantly to the pile of spaghetti under my desk.
Installing the Geforce 6800 Ultra is fiddly, and a bit scary if you're not used to delving into the insides of a Mac, but the instructions were clear and illustrated with useful photos. The video cable has four connectors. Two fit into the end of the card, the other two (linked in a Y shape) form a bridge between the DVD/superdrive and its power cable. You have to remove the DVD drive, unplug it, and then plug one of the two Y video card connectors into the DVD power cable and the other into the DVD drive itself. Then you replace the DVD drive, plug the two remaining cable connectors to the video card and ease it into the old card's AGP slot.
Finally, with the G5 reassembled, plug the adapter's DVI connection into the back of the card, plug the Cinema Display ADC cable into the adapter block, plug the adapter's USB cable into the G5 (this enables the the USB ports on the back of the display to work), and power up.
At the time of writing, the display has been up and running for a couple of hours and all seems fine.
Thanks again everyone for all your help and advice. If it wasn't for communities like this, it would be virtually impossible to solve problems with old but still serviceable Macs.

Sapphire Radeon 9800 PRO, 256 MB using ZALMAN VGA COOLER ZM80C-HP with

Hi, I need some help...
I own a MSI 875P NEO FIS2R Mainboard and Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 PRO 256 MB VGA card...
Meanwhile Sapphire released the same VGA card just like above mentioned but then equipped it with the ZALMAN Heatpipe VGA Cooler, type ZM80C-HP and called that videocard Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 PRO 256 MB ULTIMATE
I know the same separate ZALMAN VGA Cooler is available in the shops here since a few days and that I can equip my 9800 PRO too with that Cooler but I really don't know if the videocard plus the zalman cooler will fit on my 875P Neo FIS2R mainboard... Cuz of the little space between the AGP slot and the Canterwood Bridge (North Bridge)... ?(
Anyone know if it's possible to do this/how to arrange this??? :(
Thanx in advance... :D

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Beryl - finally works great here on Radeon 9800 with DRI

pacman just updated beryl to:
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beryl-core-svn 1119-1
beryl-dbus-svn 1090-1
beryl-manager-svn 1117-1
beryl-plugins-svn 1118-1
beryl-settings-svn 1090-1
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[jp@darkwood ~]$ beryl-manager
Everything works very, very smooth on my Radeon 9800 with DRI drivers (no fglrx!).
I found only two problems:
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for the first time ever, Beryl+AIGLX works perfect with open source DRI on my radeon 9800..
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local/beryl-dbus-svn 1655-1
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local/beryl-manager-svn 1660-1
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Plugins for beryl
local/beryl-settings-svn 1668-1
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MDD upgrade conflict with ATI Radeon 9800

does anyone out there have my specs; Sonnettech MDX Dual 1.6gh processor with ATI Radeon 9800 Pro VGA card? After installing the processor, i now get weird lines all over the screen at bootup and then i get a bunch of green speckles all over my desktop after the computer boots. i can work on my computer, but the screen images, speckles and other artifacts are annoying. i have dropped the hz to 66 and the screen resolution to 800x600 because higher resolutions would cause the computer to freeze. does anyone have any catalyst settings or ATI display panel suggestions ? i wish i could attach the pictures i took of the display.
Dual Power Mac G4 867 & Macbook Pro 2gig Mac OS X (10.4.9) FCP Studio 5.1.2

Well, i tried your idea, bought the iceberq5, installed it with ease and things just got worse. 1st, my MDD Dual 867 mac's AGP slot is right next to my fourth RAM slot. So with the Iceberq5 installed, i had to lose 512mb of RAM. it just wont fit. the new cooler cover the RAM slot. so instead of 2gigs of RAM, i'm down to 1.5. 2nd, with the icebeq5 on the ATI card, the door will not close. the iceberq runs into the case holding my DVD drives. After booting the computer up with the case open, the screen still loaded with the screen defects. I'm thinking I have a bad card, yet it worked when the Sonnettech dual processor upgrade was not installed. these weird color lines only occur with the sonnettech md/1.6 dual upgrade and the ATI 9800 Pro installed. I then used TechTool pro to scan and check my AGP card VRAM and it gave me an error. So here is my question, is there another powerful AGP card out there for my mac dual 867 that has a powerful fan on it that is also small enough to allow my case to close and for me to have all my RAM installed ? Thanks

Problems with K8T Neo-FSR (ms-6702) and radeon 9800

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does anybody have problems or success using an ati radeon 9800 graphics card with this board?
any special configurations required ?
seems that other msi neo boards cause problems with this card

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G4 won't start up with radeon 9800 installed

Hello, I have a Radeon 9800 pro that I bought used about a year ago and it has been working just fine. Recently however, I went to turn on my computer after a power outage (I had to reset the PMU, as well), and it gave me a boot sound, and then nothing, no video, no startup, no other noises from the hard drives. It's like it just freezes right after the post and will not continue startup. Long story short, I removed the 9800 and put the stock vid card back in (a Geforce 2MX) and my computer starts up normally. I have been unable to find any info about this online, so I was hoping someone could shed some light on it. I have a battery backup, but I was not present at the time of the outage, and I'm assuming that my UPS failed to properly shut my computer down, and I know how much my G4 hates that...
FYI, I have a g4 quicksilver 867mhz running 10.4.9, an Arctic Cooling aftermarket fan on the card, and I believe everything is up to date with the card as far as firmware, driver updates, etc. My UPS is a TrippLite with AVR. Maybe my power supply is going out? I can't imagine that the vid card got fried. I don't see how. I'm stumped...
Any insight is greatly appreciated!

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ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x in Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 PMac G4

Hi,
This is my first time posting to these discussion group... I've been going through related threads and have not found an answer to my problem...
I have a Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 G4. Awhile ago I upgraded the processor to a Sonnet 1.8ghz so I could run Leopard.
I just bough the ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x video card. I researched around and that seemed to be a card that would work in my machine. I even read a review on Amazon where someone had also upgraded to the 1.8 processor used this card with no issues.
I do have an older monitor - Apple Studio Display CRT with the ADC connector. So I also bought the Apple DVI to ADC adapter kit.
I installed the card and do not get any picture at all - I believe I have installed everything correctly. I'm pretty sure I can hear the fan on the video card in the machine. The monitor is getting power from the adapter since the button lights up when I press it - but it does not stay lit -- the monitor never turns on. Using my old graphics card the monitor makes a little "beep" when it turns on.
In reading the other topics I am wondering if it might be a power issue? According to Other World Computing's profile my machine has a max of 220 watts. Although they suggest this video card as one the will work in my machine.
I have disabled the hard drive that came with the machine (too small) and am using two Maxtor hard drives that I added - one ATA (120gb) and one SATA (500gb) that is connected to an SATA pci card. I also have two additional pci cards with usb 2.0/firewire ports.
In looking at the topics here I came across the link about taping the 3 and 11 pins on the video card. Even though the card I have is 4x/2x not 8x I thought I'd give it a shot. That did not work either.
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.

I don't wish to sound redundant here, but I've been reviewing the vendor's page:
It's OK- I don't mind beating this dead horse....
The maker says such to protect themselves from possible claims that may arise due to over loaded systems and power problems when their card is installed in said system.
Of course, 300w would be nice, but they didn't even specify the PSU rating a couple years ago. The Sawtooth, with it's 237w PSU, used to be listed as a compatible machine for the 9800...... They just didn't consider how far a Sawtooth might be modded.
Within reason, the early G4's (Sawtooths) are capable of using the Radeon 9800 Pro. The GE has the same 338w PSU as the DA (they are interchangeable), so there is plenty of power for the 9800.
One thing to remember, the requirements of the ADC port of the AGP slot are removed by using a non ADC card. This really changes the calculations of the power available.
It's kinda' a long post, but, if you care to get ALL the details, check the following:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7065653&#7065653
I think you'll be satisfied with the explanation.......
Which leaves your second, and very appropriate, point.
The main enemy of all, though, isn't power. Heat is the biggest concern.
Reducing heat/increasing cooling by using a third party fan on the 9800 is highly recommended. The 9800 is a hot card, and the stock fan is prone to early failure.
Adding additional cooling to remove the extra heat produced by the 9800, by using an exausting PCI fan, will also help the PSU provide adequate voltage to the system, by reducing the amount of hot air moving out of the PSU.
Super heated air moving through the PSU reduces the cooling ability of the PSU. A hot PSU doesn't produce reliable power.
So, add the 9800, add some cooling, and enjoy!

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