Radeon 9800 Pro (128MB) on G4 with lots of artifacts

Hi there,
I recently bought a radeon 9800 pro (mac version) over ebay. I put it into a d1ghz (quicksilver with 1.5GB of Ram. Everything seems to work fine, however, the screen flickers ever so slightly after the ripple effect in the dashboard. Yet this is not really what bugs me: Any game (and probably other applications as well) which uses Core Image produces huge artifacts. There are just random screen-filling bits sticking out the ground...
How do I get rid of this? I already checked all the connections, ran software update, downloaded the most recent drivers and tried downclocking the graphics card.... (I also think that I cleared NV- and PRAM, but I am not sure... )
What am I forgetting?
Thanks already, dl33

Hi. I had the same problem, but it was a 500 mhz Sawtooth. I was told it was either a power issue or a heat issue. So I upgraded the power supply from 237 watts to 400 watts. It seemed to help, but it started doing the same thing. After wasting a lot of time and money with power supplies and soldering and adding fans, etc, I looked at the fan on the card. Like you, I bought mine used. The guy said it worked flawlessly. When I first got it and experienced the problems, I checked the fan. It wasn't the stock fan, was a unit from Arctic Cooling. The fan was spinning, but it said that air should be blown out the exhaust, and I felt none. Upon closer inspection it turned out that the fan was defective. It was constantly speeding up/slowing down, and it was supposed to be a single speed fan...not good. But by the time I figured that out, the card had been fried. I got a new unit from Arctic Cooling, but the card no longer works.
Might want to check the fan and make sure it's spinning. Your power supply should be sufficient since I believe the QS's had 344 watt PSU's.
One thing I forgot to mention was that underclocking it usually helped. I had to underclock it a good amount, though. I believe it was around 20%.
Hope this helps.
Matt

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I am trying to help a friend whose graphics card has bust.
The old one was an ATI RADEON 9800 PRO-(256MB)-MAC EDITION.
I've been looking on ebay and it seems a lot cheaper to get a Mac ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb Video Card For G4/G5.
Can I just swap them over? The connectors are not identical according to the photographs.
Thanks.

I'd like to thank everyone for all the really useful information in this thread. It helped me solve a similar problem, which I'll describe here briefly in case it helps someone else.
I have a 2004/5 dual 2 Ghz PowerPC G5 and an Apple Cinema HD display linked, as I later found out, with the now defunct ADC connector. The display suddenly started to look like that scene in The Matrix, when code falls like rain down the screen, and I worked out I needed to replace my Radeon 9800 pro video card (I discovered the board was blue when I removed a thick layer of dust).
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Hello, I purchase a radeon 9800 pro 128mg, I have a mac G4 (Double mirrors) I am replacing the old Radeon 9800 pro 128mb. I am using 10.4 TIGER. I installed the card and I am still getting a black screen. my monitor works on my g4 powerbook desktop Help?

Question #1
Hello, I purchase a Radeon 9800 pro 128mb from ebay. I own a mac G4 ( double mirror doors) I am using tiger10.4 I am replacing my old radeon 9800 pro 128mb with one from ebay. I installed the card properly but I am still getting a black screen. why? Monitor works on my powerbook G4 laptop.
QUESTIN #2
Can I upgrade my hard drive to a 2tb with the proper PCI card and cable ?

#1, tough to tell, is it using the VGA or DVI output?
#2, yes, if you can find a Mac compatible card.

Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb troubles :\

Hey,
I'm not used to post things on a forum but now I'm getting quite desperate. I've been searching and surfing the net for possible solutions but none worked until now.
Sometimes my v-card's drivers hang, or that's what I think. The image freezes, but the mouse can keep on moving (nothing will react anymore and even when I'm typing this, it happened already 1 times). After that "freeze" of about 2-3 seconds, the screen will "click" like you hear when you change resolution in the display properties. After that, the screen comes back and most of the time, everything is ok, except from the fact that sometimes a window like this (mozilla) is resized to 800*600 or 640*480 size .. (not sure)
But sometimes, the screen goes black after clicking and will never come back, only a reset can help this situation.
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When anything of this happens during a game, a recover doesn't seem to be possible at all.
-> this suggests it's a driver problem...
Now I've read about fastwrites (not available in current bios - but i heard it's available in the new bios which i didn't upgrade yet because i'm a bit afraid of the procedure as I don't have a FAT system nor a win98/ME boot disk and I'm using winXP pro) which I disabled in the catalyst drivers
I've tried to lower the AGP acceleration
I've tried Omega drivers
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A clean install of windows won't help
Direct X version doesn't matter
And all starts after the first catalyst driver installation after the fresh windows install.
Please help,
If you think there's some info missing, don't hesitate to ask, I'm an experience PC user so you can ask me pretty much everything about anything (I think) and I'll followup this post frequently. Anything that can help me find the cause will be appreciated. Until now I didn't want to return the card under warranty because I know I'll have to miss it quite some time then. :(
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i read that the bios update adds the "enable fast write" function, but at what value is it whitout the update ?
if it's enabled by default, then it could be the problem
but i'll look into the site you gave and try to flash the bios tomorrow
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Kelly

I also noticed that in the ATI Utility shows the Radeon 9800 Pro's profile, but it doesn't indicate any refresh rates, which is odd.
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ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb or 256mb for PowerMac G4 MDD

I hane just a bought a PowerMac G4 MDD dual core 1.25 GHZ. I t has the old ATI Radeon 9000 pro. I am definately going to buy a 9800 Pro. But, I would like to know wether or not to spend the extra $70 on the 256mb card, rather than pay only $90 for the 128MB edition. I am not going to be doing anything CRAZY like photoshoping, or final cut pro or anything like that, bu I am going to be playing the casual 2002-2004 game here and there (Half-Life 2). And, I would also be running emulators. So, I have compared the two cards and have not noticed anything different as far as specs go. Except for 128MB more ram. I am on a budget, but would like the extra performance.
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There is virtually NO performance difference between the 256 MB version and the 128 MB version of the 9800 Pro.
Even with a digital monitor of 23" at full, native resolution of 1920x1200, the 256 MB version shows NO benefit.
In actual tests, the 256 MB version shows slightly slower, but mostly equal.
IMHO, it is NOT worth an extra $70.
See my Graphics Benchmarks pages and decide for yourself:
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For Leopard, a Geforce 6800 GT may be better due to better driver support and OpenGL performance.
The 6800 GT, sadly, cannot be used in a MDD.
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If a G4 is a Sawtooth or Gigabit Ethernet machine, the 7800 GS (or the 6800 GT) cannot be used.

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PN: 109-a14400-01
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If it looks exactly like this one, including the "teeth" along the bottom, it won't work in any G4.
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Hello
i was curious to know of any problems with the Kt4 ultra motherboard and the Radeon 9800 pro??
my system constantly crashes back to the desktop, or completely locks when i play Command & Conquer Renegade.
there are also some "misdrawn?" walls in the game also,...
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ive read where you can increase the agp voltage to try and fix the problem...and i also saw where one guy was just going to buy another motherboard b/c of the issues...
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ATI Radeon 9800 Pro - anyone using one?

Is anyone out there using a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb graphics card in their 1st generation G5 1.8mhz Dual-Processor tower? If so, is it running OK or have you had problems with it crashing?
Perhaps there's some tweaks I need to make in the ATI control panel? Mine seems to spontaneously hang doing all but the simplest of tasks. I've run Apple Hardware Test, but that says card is OK.
Waiting for an XT800 to arrive, but tempted to buy an Nvidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL - now. Can anyone help me decide please.
Any advice appreciated,
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while not the 9800, i used to have the 9650 (128mb vram) in my dualie ... quickly got rid of it and got an x800xt soon after aperture 1.0 ...
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according to some profiles, yes there are people that still use the 9800 ... yours may have gone bad sooner than others ... regardless, your life will be better (imho) with a newer/better/faster/ stronger video card - whether you go ati or nvidia ... although i know little about the 6800 ...
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here's a start ...
http://discussions.apple.com/search.jspa?threadID=&q=ati+9800&objID=c184&dateRan ge=all&userID=&numResults=15&rankBy=10001
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Neo2 865 PE & Radeon 9800 Pro

I am having problems with my current system. I just purchased new mem, mb/proc, vid and for some reason the machine doesn't post.
ATI wants to push this off to MSI since the card posts in another machine and they have gone down a few different troubleshooting methods.
HOWEVER when I put my Nvidia 4600ti back in the machine it works fine.
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Well I did not have the exact same problem as you but perhaps I can help with my experience.
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Polecat out

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Hi-
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Your QS is 4x AGP, and the card should work.
Drivers are here:
http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/mac/macosx10-4x-3x-radeon.html
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What would you replace an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (256MB) with?

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I started a thread before asking whether I could replace a 256MB card with a 128MB card, even though the interface was a different shape.
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What would you replace an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (256MB) with?
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The computer is a Power Mac G5 (1.6GHz) and budge is £80 / $120.
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Hi-
Please check my recommendations in your other thread.
Better options for the 9800 Pro are the Radeon 9800 XT, Geforce 6800 GT, Geforce 6800 Ultra, or if one has the money or finds a good deal, a Radeon X800 XT.
For your budget and uses, the Geforce cards are a performance value buy.
BTW, I have owned all of the cards, used all of the cards, and tested all of the cards.
Graphics Cards- ATI and Nvidia
See my testing pages starting here:
Page 1: Open GL

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If the computer shop gives you a bunch of bull about power needs havbe them stop by the forum and we can help set them straight on this. There is more than enough data from MSI and historical data here that suggests that 16a on the 12v rail is certainly not enough. Hey I am not trying to sell you anything. I am just trying to help you get it right. The computer shop is the one trying to sell you something we just feel they are selling the wrong junk.

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