Radeon 9800 pro too hot

I am running a radeon 9800 pro on my msi board and even tho i am not running games, it gets too hot to the touch. I have 7 case fans, power supply fans, cpu fan and video card fan. I am running latest catalyst drivers and read that they can make the card run hot, has anyone confirmed this? how do I check the temp of my video card?

If you have artifacts it will be to hot, otherwise it's OK.
7 casefans is overkill btw. I have 1 80mil fan that keeps my case below 35C eventhough my computer is stressed all the time.
IF you want to make it really cool, get this cooler: http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=41
It blows the hot ait out of the case in stead of circulating it a bit below the vid.card.

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radeon 9800 pro too hot

If you have artifacts it will be to hot, otherwise it's OK.
7 casefans is overkill btw. I have 1 80mil fan that keeps my case below 35C eventhough my computer is stressed all the time.
IF you want to make it really cool, get this cooler: http://www.arctic-cooling.com/vga2.php?idx=41
It blows the hot ait out of the case in stead of circulating it a bit below the vid.card.

ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x in Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 PMac G4

Hi,
This is my first time posting to these discussion group... I've been going through related threads and have not found an answer to my problem...
I have a Gigabit Ethernet dual 450 G4. Awhile ago I upgraded the processor to a Sonnet 1.8ghz so I could run Leopard.
I just bough the ATI/Radeon 9800 Pro 128 AGP 4x/2x video card. I researched around and that seemed to be a card that would work in my machine. I even read a review on Amazon where someone had also upgraded to the 1.8 processor used this card with no issues.
I do have an older monitor - Apple Studio Display CRT with the ADC connector. So I also bought the Apple DVI to ADC adapter kit.
I installed the card and do not get any picture at all - I believe I have installed everything correctly. I'm pretty sure I can hear the fan on the video card in the machine. The monitor is getting power from the adapter since the button lights up when I press it - but it does not stay lit -- the monitor never turns on. Using my old graphics card the monitor makes a little "beep" when it turns on.
In reading the other topics I am wondering if it might be a power issue? According to Other World Computing's profile my machine has a max of 220 watts. Although they suggest this video card as one the will work in my machine.
I have disabled the hard drive that came with the machine (too small) and am using two Maxtor hard drives that I added - one ATA (120gb) and one SATA (500gb) that is connected to an SATA pci card. I also have two additional pci cards with usb 2.0/firewire ports.
In looking at the topics here I came across the link about taping the 3 and 11 pins on the video card. Even though the card I have is 4x/2x not 8x I thought I'd give it a shot. That did not work either.
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.

I don't wish to sound redundant here, but I've been reviewing the vendor's page:
It's OK- I don't mind beating this dead horse....
The maker says such to protect themselves from possible claims that may arise due to over loaded systems and power problems when their card is installed in said system.
Of course, 300w would be nice, but they didn't even specify the PSU rating a couple years ago. The Sawtooth, with it's 237w PSU, used to be listed as a compatible machine for the 9800...... They just didn't consider how far a Sawtooth might be modded.
Within reason, the early G4's (Sawtooths) are capable of using the Radeon 9800 Pro. The GE has the same 338w PSU as the DA (they are interchangeable), so there is plenty of power for the 9800.
One thing to remember, the requirements of the ADC port of the AGP slot are removed by using a non ADC card. This really changes the calculations of the power available.
It's kinda' a long post, but, if you care to get ALL the details, check the following:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7065653&#7065653
I think you'll be satisfied with the explanation.......
Which leaves your second, and very appropriate, point.
The main enemy of all, though, isn't power. Heat is the biggest concern.
Reducing heat/increasing cooling by using a third party fan on the 9800 is highly recommended. The 9800 is a hot card, and the stock fan is prone to early failure.
Adding additional cooling to remove the extra heat produced by the 9800, by using an exausting PCI fan, will also help the PSU provide adequate voltage to the system, by reducing the amount of hot air moving out of the PSU.
Super heated air moving through the PSU reduces the cooling ability of the PSU. A hot PSU doesn't produce reliable power.
So, add the 9800, add some cooling, and enjoy!

G5 graphics card error: ATI Radeon 9800 pro

Hi there,
The display on my mac has all of sudden gone haywire, there's bars across the entire screen that keep on changing colours/flickering etc, and when I try to drag open windows they become blocks of noisey colour.
So far i've tried resetting PRAM/NVRAM, ran the hardware test which picks up an error on the VRAM which is: 2ATI/1/4:113-A1440; ;16 (I think, it's very difficuilt to read properly), also pulled the graphics card out, given it a bit of a dust etc and put it back in to no avail. I've also tried plugging in another monitor which had the same problem.
I'm assuming my graphics card's fried, but I wanted to check on here to see if anyone had any other ideas. I'm slightly wary about splashing out on a new card when i'm not completely sure it's the card that's the problem, it could be the logic board for all I know. Also not too keen in taking it to the apple shop as it'll be away for up to two weeks, and I really need a working machine just now.
My specs are G5 single 1.8ghz, 512 ram, ATI Radeon 9800 pro card (not the special edition)
Apologies for the long message, and for any spelling mistakes as I can barely see what i'm typing, any advice most appreciated.

I would suggest first blowing compressed air all around the inside including logic board and video card (if you are adept at removing the card and reinstalling the better, careful not braking the AGP clip at the end of the slot that latches into the end of the card). Also keep the can upright at all times. This should help dislodge dust that build up over time and may cause overheating and unusual operation.
Then run Apple Hardware Test disc that came with your computer and run the extended test. It should at least help give you an idea if it's the logic board and/or video card. It's not 100% failsafe, but worth a shot.

Dead Radeon 9800 Pro please help

Hi,
I think my ATI Radeon 9800 pro 128M AGP graphics card in my early Powermac g5 dual 2G is dying/dead. Looks like it's dropping a bit somewhere as I have blocks of coloured lines all over the screen. THis makes the machine unusable at 1900 x 1200 millions of colours and just about readable if I drop to 256 colours I have tried reseating the board after cleaning it (it was dirty). The fan is still working. I've tried booting from another disk and also driving my Dell flatscreen monitor using the DVI - VGA converter, so eliminating the digital cable and the monitor DVI input from the equation.
My question is this, where can I get a suitable replacement card? I've seen a ATI Radeon™ 9800 PRO Mac Special Edition 256mb AGP for sale on ebay which states it's AGP x 8 - would this work? Any other suggestions for a suitable reasonably priced replacement? I mainly use the machine for photo editing, and have my monitor/printer colour calibrated using a spyder and I only need to connect one monitor. The old card did allow me to turn the monitor through 90 degrees, but I never used the feature.
Another question - could I temporarily use the AGP card from my old G4 500 in the G5 - its an ATI Rage Pro 128 I believe?
THanks in anticipation.
tekno.mage

Hi Alan,
Thanks for the info,and I feel I should add further to this discussion regarding my own dead card.
What was a hard fault (with similar symptoms to the screenshots shown in Alan's link) despite several attempts to reseat the card (after cleaning it - there was a lot of dust in the fan assy) isn't so hard any more. After fitting the card I bought on ebay and discovering it was DOA, I reinstalled my old card, to discover that it worked again all ok - for about a day and half, then went bad again. Further fiddling around with it revealed that sometimes, reseating it will make it work for variable lengths of time. It's currently faulty and I'm writing this in 256 colour mode with bands of lines down only part of the screen. Once or twice, the card has suddenly started working again without reseating it, but only for about an hour.
The fan on the card is spinning (and was spinning even when very dusty). The fault doesn't seem to be strictly temperature related as leaving the machine powered off in a chilly office overnight oer even for a couple of days has so far, never resulted in the card working on power up - unless it's been reseated first. Also, the card doesn't always go faulty when the mac is working hard and the exhaust fans are blowing out lots of hot air.
I'm wondering if the scenario is more likely to be a solder joint that went bad when the card was running with a dirty fan (ie caused by slight overheating) and is now affected by movement (reseating) & vibration when the machine is in use? Either that or it's the dreaded "tin-pest" disease caused by use of lead-free solder where minute whiskers of tin can "grow" and short across nearby tracks casuing hard to find intermittant faults on circuit boards.
tekno.mage

Sapphire Radeon 9800 PRO, 256 MB using ZALMAN VGA COOLER ZM80C-HP with

Hi, I need some help...
I own a MSI 875P NEO FIS2R Mainboard and Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 PRO 256 MB VGA card...
Meanwhile Sapphire released the same VGA card just like above mentioned but then equipped it with the ZALMAN Heatpipe VGA Cooler, type ZM80C-HP and called that videocard Sapphire Atlantis Radeon 9800 PRO 256 MB ULTIMATE
I know the same separate ZALMAN VGA Cooler is available in the shops here since a few days and that I can equip my 9800 PRO too with that Cooler but I really don't know if the videocard plus the zalman cooler will fit on my 875P Neo FIS2R mainboard... Cuz of the little space between the AGP slot and the Canterwood Bridge (North Bridge)... ?(
Anyone know if it's possible to do this/how to arrange this??? :(
Thanx in advance... :D

It will fit. But why replace the original heatsink? It works ok without the fan. Take a look here

ATI Radeon1900 XT vs ATI Radeon 9800 Pro + 30" Cinema Display

I bought a used G5 2.5 quad (PPC). It has two graphics cards one is an ati radeon x1900. In order to use my cinema display with this card I have to have that cute extra little white power supply box, oh joy! My G5 1.8 single has a Radeon 9800 Pro and the 30" plugs right in without need of xtra power supply. Can I switch the 9800 in the 1.8 single and the x1900 in the 2.5 quad? Isn't the 9800 Pro a better graphics card than the x1900 anyway? I don't mind using the power supply on the 1.8 as I won't use it that much any more anyway and prefer less "stuff" on my main "new" unit. Most of my work involves flash, photoshop and FCP.
Advice on this would be much appreciated. (PS. Leopard really ROCKS, just got it!)

Thanks tons for you help. I hadn't opened the machine up yet to see what the heck, or done any research on the quad in regards to slots, guess I was too excited about SPEED! The card/slot type would definitely pose a problem. Good thing I had a spare power supply around for the monitor! Thanks for the input on the quality of the card. I don't know my p's and q's around monitors and cards so I really didn't know what I was looking for in regards to this.
Thanks Again.

Problems installing Radeon 9800 Pro on K8N Neo2

Hi All!
I am trying to upgrade from ABIT Nforce2 to K8N Neo2 Nforce3. I assumed that this should be possible without reinstalling Windows XP.
I now ran into problems with re-installing the drivers for the Radeon 9800 pro, the videocontroller is not recognised and the drivers will not install. The same happened when I tried an Nvidia FX-5600 card.
IMHO this will exclude problems with the 0800, as well as PSU problems. Which will leave me two options: re-install Windows since it looks like a driver/software problem (have I been too optimistic?) or RMA the board right away (even if the d-bracket will show 4 greens ...)
Thanks in advance for your response!
Hans

I am pretty sure this is a windows problem. I would never recommend to use different board on an installation allready made. Anyway you could try to install unifed nforce drivers for the nforce 3 250 chipset. This might fix the problem. If you want a stable system I would install windows from the scratch.

PM G4 + Ati Radeon 9800 Pro

Hello all!
I bouht flashed Ati Radeon 9800 pro with Zalman VF700-ALCU Ultra quiet VGA-cooler. I'm going to use it with my old PM. Problem is that Zalman cooler is too big. It just does not fit because there is not enough space between VGA slot and memory modules. There is four modules (4x512). If I take one module of, gooler will fit, but then i have less memory. And thats not fun.
Can u experts say, is it possible to use Radeon 9800 without cooler? Or what should I do?

Hi again!
I found one more distributor in Ebay. Do you know is this model (Vantec Iceberq 4 Pro) compatible with Radeon 9800 Pro?
Distributor says that The ICEBERQ 4 Pro is recommended for: nVidia GeForce4 Ti 4200, 4200 8X, 4400, 4600, 4800; GeForce FX 5600 Ultra
Link to distributors page: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vantec-Iceberq-4-Pro-VGA-Copper-Cooling-Kit-All-In-OneW0QQitemZ310021963558QQihZ021QQcategoryZ80151QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQtrksidZp1742.m153.l1262

Radeon 9800 pro 256mb hanging on blue screen

I'm deep in the waters of frustration right now, and am hoping someone here might have the answer.
About 3 months ago I was looking for a video card for me to run motion. I saw the 9800 mac special edition with 128mb video ram had rave reviews. At that time ATI was not making them. So I turned to eBay...
I purchased a card that was advertised as a Mac 9800 pro special editing 128mb. I later found out it was a flashed pc card. The ebay seller told me the card worked fine on all his mac's that he tested it on.
The problem I was having was the machine boots up, I see the grey screen with the Apple logo and spinning wheel. I see the blue screen where normally I see the login progress bar loading the OS. But with this card I only see the blue screen. I hear the hard drive churning, so I am assuming it is still loading the OS, but I cannot see anything. I can reboot in safe mode and the video card works fine.
Well... I assumed it was the fault of the card and that it was flashed. I returned the card to the ebay seller, who sent me another one, same results with that one. I returned the card to the seller and he refunded my money.
I put the money toward the just released Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition 256mb card. I just got it a couple days ago and am experiencing the same problems. I have tried everything... everything I know and still can't get the card to work? Here is a list of what I have done:
With the flashed card:
1. Shut off computer and unplugged it. Removed OEM video card and installed ATI 9800 card. Plugged the power supply cable for the card into the computer power supply cable and hard drive.
Problem Occurs: When starting up, the grey screen comes up with the Apple on it, then the screen turns blue, where I typically would see the progress bar of the system loaded up before the user login screen. I only see a blue screen at this point but can hear the hard drive working for about a min.
2. Restarted the computer in safe mode.
3. Logged in as Admin user and opened the ATI preference pane to verify it sees the card.
When the ATI preference pane was loaded the following error message occured:
A startup problem has occured.
Cannot connect to ATI TVOut Kernal Extension. Some features are not available.
Clicked OK and the ATI preference pane appears.
4. Close the preference pane and reinstalled ATI Displays 4.5.6. Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs
5. Restarted computer holding down AppleOption+PR to clear PRAM. Cleared the PRAM 4 times in a row, by allowing the chime to happen 4 times.
Problem Occurs
6. Shut computer down. Disconnected the DVI plug for the cinema display and connected a VGA CRT monitor. Started computer.
Problem Occurs
7. Shut computer down, disconnected the VGA CRT monitor. Reconnected DVI plug and restarted computer.
Problem Occurs
8. Started the computer in safe mode. Logged into admin account. Opened the ATI Preference pane.
When the ATI preference pane was loaded the following error message occured:
A startup problem has occured.
Cannot connect to ATI TVOut Kernal Extension. Some features are not available.
Closed preference pane.
Went to ATI site and downloaded:
aug2005-radeo-universal-rom-update.dmg
Ran the updater.
Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs.
9. Restarted the computer in safe mode. Changed the login preference pannel to automatically log into the administrator account. Restarted computer, waited for the blue screen, then walked away for about 2 hours with the computer on blue screen, hoping the system was loading or doing something.
Problem Occurs.
10. Put in the TechTools Pro CD, hoping to run some tests on the video card from the cd. When booting from the CD OS...
Problem Occurs.
11. Enabled Root user. Logged in as root and installed ATI Displays 4.5.6 from there. Restarted computer.
Problem Occurs.
12. Shut down computer and installed old video card.
13. On an internal hard drive in the computer. Wiped the drive and formatted it. Installed 10.4.1 on the drive. booted up into the drive, installed ATI drivers, shut down computer, installed 9800 pro video card, booted up.
Problem Occurs.
With the new 9800 for Mac ATI card with 256mb:
With original card, install drivers, repairpermissions, shut down, install new card
Set to restart in single user, give 5 min to see if ATI monitor startup item in user starteputems loads
Hooked VGA & DVIt in together, both showed blue screen
Reset NVRAM via open firmware
Reset cuda button
Take battery out, wait at least 10 min, re-install new battery, press cuda button
Reinstall ATI update 4.5.6
Reset nvram from open firmware
In ATI control panel, selected 'Force Single Display Operation'
Change display scaling to 50%
Download latest Mac OS update from apple & reinstall
Help?

I get dizzy just thinking about it.
I have tried installed a brand new OS, 3 different times on a different Hard Drive, still the card doesn't work.
I had one person suggest that it may be the card is not communicating with the OS Window Drawing module? (excuse my ignorance of what that is really called. I just know there is some program, possibly in the kernel, that is responsible for drawing out the OS windows.)
How can we rule out that it is a bad AGP slot?
•The slot works fine with my 9000.
•It works in safe mode with the 9800.
•I have installed a brand new OS, three different times, still doesn't work.
•I have used Apple Hardware test to test my hardware, the AGP slot didn't report any problems.
I am assuming that the AGP slot is working. Although I worry about it a bit, because by now I have swapped cards in it about 50 times in my troubleshooting.
Here is a link to a complete list of everything I have tried:
http://www.macosx.com/help/qview.php?questionid=19554#54138

S-Video not working on ATI Radeon 9800 Pro????

I've had this ATI Radeon 9800 Pro in my MDD dual 1.25 G4 for a little while with two VGA monitors. I recently got rid of the secondary monitor and moved a 27" flat screen tube TV next to the computer. As I always do, I've got to start tinkering. I remembered that my Radeon has both VGA, DVI, and an S-Video outputs. I simply ran an S-Video from the card to the TV. I can't seem to get it to work. I had never used the ATI control panels so I went ahead and downloaded and installed it. It won't "detect" the TV in the Mac2TV control. What the heck am I doing wrong???? I emailed ATI and they just sent me a form reply to a dead link saying that my system is unstable. UGH!
Any tips would be great.
Thanks much,
Robert

Well, I figured out that if I reboot and only have the s-video attached and no monitors to the VGA or DVI it will work. It dedicates the TV as the primary screen. However, not the best picture. I can't find any information if both the s-video and VGA or DVI can operate at the same time. I'm also doing a little more research with ATI to see if they actually have a true component output from either the VGA or DVI. I had bought a DVI to what I thought was supposed to be component but it was actually RGB component and just gave a distorted image. If I can get that to work, I think it would be a better image along with being able to run both the monitor and the TV as the secondary.
Robert

Having trouble with my G4 MDD 867MHz DP and ATi Radeon 9800 Pro video card.

I just recently purchased the ATi Radeon 9800 Pro Mac edition card on ebay. I installed the card on my G4 and turned it on thinking everything would work with no problems, but when I turned it on the grey apple screen came up fine and then it changed to a sky-blue screen with nothing on it and remained on that screen. My desktop or any of my apps did not load up at all. I reset the PRAM and the NVRAM as the seller I bought the card from instructed me to and still I get the same result. Is anyone familiar with this problem? I was wondering if my monitor was the problem because I'm using a Dell LCD monitor as the display for right now? I need help! I'm trying to get this up and running so I can start editing. Whatever information anyone can give me will be greatly appreciated!

Sometimes display cards that support multiple displays (or a second display card in the same Mac) can cause the display you are using to be the SECOND display in a multiple-display "extended desktop".
When this happens, the MenuBar and cursor may be drawn perfectly, but be on the "other" screen, and it is very difficult to determine what has happened. \[This problem is sometimes caused by inadvertently leaving an adapter or cable on an unused display port.]
Try moving the mouse many times to the right to see if the cursor suddenly transitions onto your screen, then try the same experiment to the left.

[Athlon64] MSI K8T NEO-V : incompatibility with ATI RADEON 9800 PRO

Hi,
I read all the subjets on this forum about Radeon problems with MSI K8T NEO motherboard. Most of the peple can't use their graphic card in all situations.
My PC is :
-MSI K8T NEO-V
-AMD-64 3200
-Power : 400W
-ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
-1 Go DDRAM (2x512 in single channel)
-Hercules Digifires 7.1
I bought a new MSI K8T NEO-V with AMD 64.
The problem is that I can't use the computer in the games with AGP 8X even if I try to enable-disable all the options possibles in BIOS and Windows (fast write ...) : The computer freeze (screen disapear as if there was no video signal), reboot or return to Windows disabling the accelerated mode.
But in AGP 4X, all the game run without problem with all setups of BIOS !!!
I tried all the drivers (the new and the old drivers). Even if all are updated, it freeze.
There are no BIOS update for my motherboard. I saw that some people had BIOS update for compatibility with some Radeon cards ...
So, I don't know how to repair the problem because AGP 8X is AGP 8X and not 4X, and my Radeon run fine on other computer, and nothing say that Radeon 9800 pro don't run on this motherboard.
Does someone have the solution to make it work ? Does a new BIOS or driver update exist somewhere for Radeon cards ?

What Bas said about 30+ amps on the 12v rail does have merit. Even if you don't use it now there may come a time when you want to upgrade the system and certainly you won't want to buy yet another PSU then. A High end vid card now takes almost as much as the CPU to operate. Now days the 12v rail is the most important. Past systems regulated everything off the 5v railk and 12v was used mostly for powering drive motors. Now though the MB's use the 12v line to regulate all the voltages for the CPU, Chipset and other features as does the Vid cards. 3.3 volt lines are used for memory so we hardly use any 5v nowdays.
You have an older viod card and that does not eat much 12v but if you upgrade the most likely peice will be the vid card. You could go through this whole thing all over again if you are not careful to plan for that now with a new PSU purchase.
If the computer shop gives you a bunch of bull about power needs havbe them stop by the forum and we can help set them straight on this. There is more than enough data from MSI and historical data here that suggests that 16a on the 12v rail is certainly not enough. Hey I am not trying to sell you anything. I am just trying to help you get it right. The computer shop is the one trying to sell you something we just feel they are selling the wrong junk.

Does 10.5.6 Support Dual displays for Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition cards?

Does 10.5.6 Support Dual displays for Radeon 9800 Pro Mac Edition cards?
And is there driver updates for anyone using the all-in-ones HP printers...has anyone been able to use their scanners since the update? and has the dual screen support been added to avoid the blue screen on startup?

The ATI Radeon 9600 PC/Mac edition 256 MB should work in the MDD G4. It has two DVI ports (one is dual-link and can support a 30" display). You will need adapters for ADC displays.

G4 450 AGP to Radeon 9800 Pro upgrade low down.

I have been looking to upgrade my G4 450 AGP graphics card. I'm running 2-22" ViewSonic 2235's at 1680x 1050 w/ Rage 128 AGP and PCI cards. I've learned that this G4 has 2x AGP slot and few cards fit, namely ATI's Radeon X800 XT or Radeon 9800 Pro, both Mac Editions. Price eliminates the X800. 9800 comes in 128MB or 256MB flavors. Questions: 1. Is there any real advantage to the 256MB version aside from dual DVI output vs 1 DVI 1VGA? 2. Having seen max resolution at 2050x...; Is this resolution per dual monitor channel or will I have to lower my 1680 to a 1024 per screen. Thanks folks.

Hi-
but why do you need more on the G4, the machine can't handle any software that requires 256MB of video memory anyway.
The only one who would say that, is someone who has settled for less.
There is a BIG difference between the other cards, and a 9800, even on an "old" machine.
I see all kinds of improvements in applications, the OS, system performance, etc., as compared to my old 9000 (64mb). The difference is night and day!
G4 AGP(450)Sawtooth Mac OS X (10.4.8) 2ghzPPC,1.62gbSDRAM, ATI9800, DVR-109,(IntHD)120&160,LaCie160,23"Cinema Display

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