Ragged Hierarchy and Skip Level Hierarchy

Hi all,
I am confused with ragged and skip level hierarchy, as i read some documents related to obiee 11g.
Will you please explain with an example the difference between ragged hierarchy and skip level hierarchy and also when to use these hierarchies?
regards
chandra kanth.

Chandra Kanth,
Hope this helps you
http://blogs.simba.com/.a/6a00e3932f172e88340133f4d758b5970b-800wi
Thanks,
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