Raid 1 advice needed...

Hi
I am planning on purchasing a new Mac Pro. With the purchase I am also considering of a neat way of cloning the main drive.
Currently I am using Lacie drive and PSynchX do do regular bootable backups on a regular basis.
Going forward I would like to be a little more up-to-date with backup's. So here is what I am considering:
1. Purchase the Mac Pro Raid card and a 2nd internal drive and go for RAID 1 config.
2. Purchase a G-Drive Safe (RAID 1 backup) and then continue to use something like PSynchX but now I am storing the backup on 2 drives. http://www.g-technology.com/Products/G-SAFE.cfm Yes this is not the same as #1 above but better than just backing to a single Lacie drive!
So far this is all I have for ideas. Please provide your recommendations/suggestions as to the #1 and #2 and well as any other solution.
Primary reason is to have a backup plan of action in case the main drive fails. As I have important work on the machine (Images, Code etc etc). Cost is a consideration so I am not looking for a solution that will cost me $1000's
Thanks in advance.
Message was edited by: Max Shafiq

I thought my using a RAID 1 mirror if one of the drives failed then the other would continue as if nothing happened
When all works as it should then yes, you should be able to simply keep on going. You'll get this if you have a straight hardware failure of one drive although it doesn't always work out that way. If directory, or other, damage also occurs during the failure it may also damage the other drive which would bring down the set.
What do you mean by rebuild?
Restoring or adding one or more drives into the RAID 1 set.
I know this may sound stupid but why would someone want to run a RAID config then?
Because RAID 1 should pretect you against what it was intended, a hardware failure in one or more members in the RAID set.
I recently had a client that decided to let their Mac OS X server run off its UPS until the power from the UPS went out during an extended power outage. Well, if it weren't for RAID 1 they would have been royally screwed as not only did the RAID controller kick a drive off the set but there was substantial directory damage to the other drive. If there was a single drive it may not have been recoverable.
By the way, when you use RAID 1 you don't have a "master" drive and then copies. What you have is two or more original drives. It's a subtle but very important distinction. They are ALL the same. So when the RAID controller get told to write data to the drives it send identical commands to all drives so that all drive command are queued at exactly the same time and in exactly the same way. When it reads it should split the reads between the drive to improve performance although Apple software doesn't do that very well (which is beside the point here). This is why it's important to have identical drives in any RAID set to ensure the same performance properties.

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