Raid card for FCAL V890

Hi,
We would like to know whether V890 FCAL HDD supports hardware raid. If there is no internal raid for the HDD's which card needs to be installed so that the server supports raid 5 for FCAL disks.

There isn't any such card. The disk sub system in the V890 is JBOD and all the HBA options are are juat HBAs. You can use Solaris Volume Managet to configure the disks.

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http://www.lsi.com/storagehome/products_home/internal_raid/megaraid_sata/megaraid_sata1504/index.html
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and a hardware raid 1 for my data.(same/separate card ??)
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http://www.highpoint-tech.com/
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Finally, in the event that a host adapter card cannot drive the interna bays, can anyone give feedback to hardware SATA cards to power external drive bays with support for Disk Utility (to allow RAID1 pairings of internal drives to external snapshot-backup drives)?
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http://firmtek.stores.yahoo.net/sata5pm2se2.html
http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/firmtek/5pm/
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3. DAT Optic eSATA_PCIe8
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I believe the iPass cable connects all four hard disks with a single connector. This makes it difficult to remove one bay from the Apple Card. My experience is that you either use the card for all four bays or you disconnect the card and use the stock motherboard SATA interface.
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http://www.amug.org/amug-web/html/amug/reviews/articles/firmtek/5pm/
http://firmtek.stores.yahoo.net/sata5pm.html
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Server Version: Mac OS X Server 10.4.11 (Build 8S2169)
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