RAM and NEO-FIS2R

Hello,
My first time here, and i've read through a large portion of the already available posts, but nothing so far have i found to solve my problem.
I recently bought the MSI NEO-FIS2R board along with an Athlon64 3200+. I also purchased 1gig (2x512) Kingston HyperX PC3200, ECC Registered. I cant for the life of me, get it to boot with both DIMMs installed, either work, but not both.
I've toyed with timeing and bus ect per the posts on this board, but nothing so far. Anyone with some specific advice?
Thanks in advance for the help =)

hi
i havent got an msi motherboard but an asus.
I recently bought 2x 512 400 ddr from Corsair and the system only loads up with one stick and not the other. Tied to do lot of combination by putting in slot 2 and 3 etc put with no further sucess.
In fact some motherboard like mine do not recommend these types or ram memory so i had to get a refund.
is this ram is supported by msi motherboard?
see you

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          Size                                              512 KB
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          Serial Number                                     00000000
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          Product                                           MS-6758
          Version                                           00C
          Serial Number                                     00000000
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          Version                                           Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Processor
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          WAN Miniport (PPPOE)                              5.1.2535.0
          WAN Miniport (PPTP)                               5.1.2535.0
     

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    Clear CMOS with your PSU unplugged from A/C power.  Then load "Optimized Defaults" in BIOS and retest.
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