RAM clarification for the P965 Neo F...

I was constructing my first build today, when I came across an interesting note in the user guide for the P965 Neo F. It stated:
Important:
1GB DDRII 800 SDRAM memory module not supported.
Yet on the MSI site it states (for the P965 Neo F):
Supports up to 8GB memory size (with DDR2 800, memory only up to 2GB)
I've bought http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145590 for this build so I hope I haven't wasted my money...
Contradictory?
Does anyone have the bottom line for this?
Thanks guys.

Quote from: NovJoe on 17-August-06, 14:24:00
It is true that the board only supports up to 2Gb of DDR 800MHz RAMs. I'll let you guys know about whether it is true on the 1GB RAM not supported.
So... 2Gb of DDRII 800MHz would be supported, but possibly not 1Gb, correct?

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I live in Finland, I've asked from local stores but nobody sells them separately.
Anybody knows where to acquire one? (it can be from another motherboard too, if it's exactly like the one that comes with Neo-F V2).
Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

I found this place---> http://www.censuspc.com/Back-Panel-I-O-Shields-c-39.html which ships internationally(no international Credit Cards though--does accept PayPal). Take a look at the shields they have to see if any have the right cutouts. I remember Intel selling a ton of different I/O shields and maybe one of those will work, but I haven't found the link yet. Try contacting the MSI office in your area and see they can help.
Edit: I found it! Here's a link with illustrations of various Intel I/O shields: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/cs-009031.htm
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Benchmarks: Dynamic Overclocking on the P965 Neo-F is a big lie!

I've just upgraded to the 1.5 BIOS and decided to run some benchmarks. What I found was interesting, so I thought I'd share:
I set the DOC function to General, which should give a 15% boost to the FSB when the processor is under heavy load. I wanted to see how much that will improve CPU performance compared to when DOC is disableled.
To test I transcoded an album from the lossless APE format to mp3 using Monkey's Audio and Lame 3.96. I chose this software because it reliably maxes out both of my cores, since Monkey's Audio can be set to do two separate encoding tasks simultaneously: one on each core. Lame itself is assembler optimized to use the processor's fancy vector extensions, ensuring a really maximal CPU load. The command line options I used in Lame are: -V 2 -q 0 --lowpass 19.4 --cwlimit 10.7 --scale 0.99 -mj -b96
Here are the results for my system (E6300, P965 Neo-F BIOS 1.5, GeForce 7600GT):
Standard FSB Clock (266 MHz)
DOC: Disabeled
10:35.17 min
Standard FSB Clock (266 MHz)
DOC: General
12:01.45 min
Slight FSB Overclock (280 MHz)
DOC: Disabeled
10:05.15 min
Slight FSB Overclock (280 MHz)
DOC: General
10:05.39 min
To confirm these results I ran 3DMark05 at the default settings with the FSB set at 280. My scores: 5637 with DOC disabeled, 5628 with DOC on General (+15%).
In other words, Dynamic Overclocking on the P965 Neo-F is hopelessly broken. It doesn't actually improve performance and sometimes it seriously damages it! Can anyone confirm that this is so?

My test results:
Dynamic Overclocking actually UNDERCLOCKS your CPU under load!
But it's more copmlicated still: I just did a lot of testing on my E6300 / Neo-F and here are my numbers:
FSB
DOC Setting
CPU Freq. at idle
CPU Freq. under load
266
Disabled
1863
1863
266
Private
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1507
266
Captain
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1566
266
General
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1625
267
Disabled
1871
1871
267
Private
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1909
267
General
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2061
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General
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2062
325
General
2281
2090
333
Disabled
2331
2331
333
Private
2331
2331
333
General
2331
2331
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Best Ram for MSI P965 Neo-F

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I've a MSI P965 Neo-F and i want to know what is the best DDR 2 Memory for this motherboard(G-Skill,Crucial or OCZ?).
Actually i' ve Corsair DDR 2 667 Mhz Value Select.
Thanks^^

Quote from: stixen on 31-January-08, 22:12:39
Actually Corsair does'nt work good with my PC(no boot sometimes) so i don't want Corsair...
I'm not saying buy Corsair, I am telling you to buy WINTEC AMPO 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM 800. I have read all the horror stories about different ram and the Neo f. I installed 2gb [2x 1 gb] when i made the computer a couple years ago and just added the same thing 1 week ago and never a single problem. It still only reads as 3.25gb but that has been explained. Fast and stable memory with this board is hard to find, so trust me and buy this ram . it worked perfect for me so I don't see why it wouldn't work for you.
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MOVED: Did MSI posted wrong specs for the 965 neo chipset ?

This topic has been moved to Intel Core Duo and Core 2 Duo based boards.
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=99397.0

Quote from: Maesus on 08-August-06, 23:17:20
it's only 1GB for DDR2800 per DIMM, don't go for 2GB DDR2-800 per DIMM. ok. So either you have 1 stick of 1GB DDR2-800, no problem, 2 sticks, 3 sticks or 4 sticks, no problem. Just that you cannot have 2GB of DDR2-800 per DIMM. Hope you understand.
Hey, I could use some help.
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2GB (2 x 1GB) OCZ DDR2 PC2-5400 (667MHz) Gold GX XTC RAM
- No post. Fans on, but nothing else. Used a spare 256MB DDR2 533MHz Corsair stick of memory and everything worked.
- Tried increasing vdimm up to 2.2V still wouldn't work
- Tried using only one stick, and tried using different slots.
- RMA'd back to OCZ (per their request)
Next I tried:
2GB (2 x 1GB) Team Xtreem DDR2 PC2-6400 (800MHz uses D9 Micron chips)
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Both sets of RAM have been tested on an Intel P4 540 system and work fine.
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Did MSI posted wrong specs for the 965 neo chipset ?

i notice some mistake maybe MSI mods could verify.
1) on the site it mention it will only support up to 2GB of DDR 800 rams
i think it should be 4GB of DDR 800 rams instead/
2) in the manual page 2-7, they mention it cannot support 1GB of DDr800 module
but it should be 1Gbit, i think it created some confusion.
Can anyone from MSI verify and update the site/ manual if possible
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Quote from: Maesus on 08-August-06, 23:17:20
it's only 1GB for DDR2800 per DIMM, don't go for 2GB DDR2-800 per DIMM. ok. So either you have 1 stick of 1GB DDR2-800, no problem, 2 sticks, 3 sticks or 4 sticks, no problem. Just that you cannot have 2GB of DDR2-800 per DIMM. Hope you understand.
Hey, I could use some help.
Here's what I got:
E6400 Allendale (333MHz FSB x 8 = 2.664GHz this was with the 256MB Corsair stick)
MSI P965 Neo F
X1800XT
Seasonic S12 600 watt PSU
I can't get any RAM to work with this thing. Here is what I've tried:
2GB (2 x 1GB) OCZ DDR2 PC2-5400 (667MHz) Gold GX XTC RAM
- No post. Fans on, but nothing else. Used a spare 256MB DDR2 533MHz Corsair stick of memory and everything worked.
- Tried increasing vdimm up to 2.2V still wouldn't work
- Tried using only one stick, and tried using different slots.
- RMA'd back to OCZ (per their request)
Next I tried:
2GB (2 x 1GB) Team Xtreem DDR2 PC2-6400 (800MHz uses D9 Micron chips)
- No post. Fans turn on, but I get nothing else.
Both sets of RAM have been tested on an Intel P4 540 system and work fine.
Any help would be very much appreciated.

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Quote from: Streifenkarl on 28-December-06, 14:47:38
Thanks for your input guys. I think I'll stay with the Neo then! Which BIOS version should I use then? 1.5 or an earlier one for highest stability?
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