Random, Sudden Shutdowns - A redux and other things to rule out first

Do a google search for "macbook random shutdown" and you'll find many people with similar problems reporting on various forums. At present, this issue has not been picked up by the mainstream PC news media. However, one should also note that only a fraction of those with problems are suffering this particular fault. A large number of other reasons must be ruled out before a MacBook owner should become convinced their machine is one which suffers this problem. Bad RAM, poorly seated RAM, improperly installed hard drive, corrupted OS, corrupted plists, bad batteries, bad chargers, corrupted PMU, and corrupted NVRAM all need to be ruled out first!
My own MacBook suffered the random sudden shutdown malady and eventually required complete replacement after a logic board replacement did not solve the issue. Some of the MacBooks appear to have a hardware problem which surfaces after a period of use. Many reported their problems starting after a month of ownership. Coincidentally, that also coincided with the release of 10.4.7, but most likely that is not at the root of the sudden, random, shutdown problem.
(However, 10.4.7 is strongly implicated in a separate MacBook problem - colored vertical lines during boot on some machines. That is probably a separate issue.)
Description of the Random, Sudden Shutdown Problem
MacBook suddenly shuts off to a completely powered down state seemingly at random. There are no kernel panic, mouse freezing, or other premonitory symptoms. The machine simply powers down suddenly. The screen goes black. The hard drive spins down and no sleep light illuminates. The machine simply turns itself off.
The shutdowns may occur on either battery or with AC adapter attached. Some owners report their MacBook is less prone to sudden shut down while on battery vs AC adapter. My own afflicted MacBook would suddenly shutdown on a fully charged battery or on either of two AC adapters.
The shutdowns occur with either 10.4.6 or 10.4.7 OS loaded. I went through several cycles of clean installs of the base 10.4.6 and the Intel Combo update to 10.4.7 before it became clear that it mattered not which OS was running. Another indicator that this is not an OS issue is that sudden shutdowns can occur in target mode and also when running just the Apple Hardware Test - which relies on minimal software to operate.
The shutdowns tend to grow more frequent once they begin. They may worsen to the point that a machine will not complete boot up before shutting down. It may take several power up presses to start the machine. Oddly enough, a machine that had difficulty starting up, may be easy to start up several minutes later. It may run for hours or minutes before another sudden shutdown. The frequency is low and random enough that is very difficult to demonstrate this fault to a service technician.
Some users are able to induce a sudden shutdown by running their CPU's at high load and thus heating up the machine. This is easily done by running the yes command in two Terminal windows. Some users report their MacBook is more prone to sudden shutdowns when their CPU is relatively cool. The bipolar reporting is confusing. There may be more than one type of sudden shutdown being reported. One due to CPU overheating and another due to another hardware problem which has yet to be elucidated.
Resetting of the PMU and PRAM MAY temporarily reduce the frequency of the sudden shutdowns, but the effect is temporary. Indeed, the effect may not even be real given the randomness of the shutdowns. None-the-less, one must perform PMU and PRAM resets to ensure that some corruption of those devices is not creating a reason for shutdowns. On my own MacBook, resetting PMU and PRAM (four chimes) did not prevent the random sudden shutdowns.
The sudden shutdowns occur with well seated stock RAM, replacement RAM, and reseated/replaced hard drives. Swapping out and testing both RAM and hard drive helps to eliminate those as the source of the problem. On my own machine, I exchanged the RAM and the hard drive to eliminate them as the cause. This made it considerably easier for the Apple genius to decide it was an internal problem.
In my case, a logic board replacement did indeed solve the fault, but several days later, sudden shutdowns began again. Presumably either the replacement board has the same weakness as the original or some other component of the machine was the actual reason for the sudden shutdowns. The former is quite likely because the machine was made stable for several days with a new logic board. At that point, I requested to be swapped to a new machine and the Apple Store manager wisely decided to help out his customer. For that I am most grateful. However, it is unlikely that the majority of people will have their machines swapped out, but instead repaired.
At this time, no official statement regarding cause for or acknowledgment of the MacBook's sudden random shutdown problem has been made. Because the underlying cause has not been revealed, it is impossible to know that a logic board replacement will permanently solve the problem or merely result in the same fault recurring later on the replacement board. Of course, we do not know if it actually is a logic board flaw.
My advice to MacBook owners whose machines develop the sudden random shutdown symptoms are to...
1. Get your data backed up immediately. The machine will likely suffer more and more frequent shutdown events.
2. Revert to stock RAM and hard drive if you have installed after-market replacements. You must do this and see if the shutdowns continue to occur. Otherwise, the first thing blamed will be your RAM and hard drive.
3a. Perform a PMU reset, by shutting down the MacBook. Removing the battery. Disconnect the AC Adapter. Then, press the power button for five seconds. The reinstall the battery and mains adapter. Restart the machine.
3b. Reset PRAM by holding option-command-P-R keys down during startup until you hear the chime at least three or four times.
Resetting the PMU and PRAM are standard procedures you'll otherwise be asked to perform to diagnose your machine.
4. Do a CLEAN install of the OSX if you wish to totally eliminate a bad OS install as the problem. This will destroy all your data. Alternatively, an archive and install will be helpful without totally destroying your data, but that will not let you exonerate your system files and settings. An alternative is to run Apple's hardware test utility which is found on your OS installation disc. However, an extended hardware test is needed because the shutdown flaw may take hours to surface.
Note: If your MacBook has become so "narcoleptic" that it cannot even complete a boot up sequence, try holding the power button down until you hear a loud beep. That may allow an otherwise balky machine to start.
Once you have done the above, and are still seeing random sudden shutdowns, you have largely done the preliminary footwork that you'll need to prove whether your MacBook has this particular problem and not something more common. Then, call AppleCare or visit your Apple Genius to have the machine repaired or replaced. Hopefully, the root cause of this problem will be discovered, disclosed, repaired and prevented. For now, it appears only a fraction of the MacBooks are suffering this fault, but the machine population is still young. Overall, the MacBook is perhaps the finest laptop I've bought from Apple. It will be nice to trust the machine to not lose my work.
BTW - resetting PMU may induce a separate 10.4.7 related bug which results in your MacBook exhibiting a white screen with progressively more numerous vertical color lines during startup. This appears to be fixable by resetting PRAM and then temporarily changing display resolution to something other than the current setting and then back.

thanks for the comprehensive info. i experienced this for the first time today. i bought my macbook the day they were released. the shutdown happenned for me after leaving my computer on overnight with no programs running. about two minutes into web browsing it shutdown. it then shutdown in the middle of restarts. i disattached power cord, external hard drive, dvd burner & ethernet & it powered up and has been working for about 20 minutes since.
this computer has really been a lemon. first my superdrive scratches the **** (just previewed this, i can't believe they sensor the h_ word?) out of discs, then the trackpad button becomes very hard to push. i've been working around those issues using an external dvd burner and mouse, but not sure how to work around sudden shutdowns. i haven't been able to send it in for repairs yet since i bought it cause i needed it's dvd authoring capabilities for a class i was taking, plus i wanted to make sure nothing else went wrong (self fulfilling prophecy?). i was planning on taking it on vacation with me, but guess i better pack my old ibook too (which other than a cd burner which sucked from the start, has been very reliable). i'll send in my macbook when i get back.
anyway, thanks for the info & advice! i'll back up my crucial data now.
white macbook, 2GHz, 1GB ram (factory installed) Mac OS X (10.4.7)
macbook Mac OS X (10.4.6)
macbook   Mac OS X (10.4.6)  

Similar Messages

  • When iCloud updates does it sometimes send your pictures and other things to your email or phone?

    When iCloud updates does it sometimes send pictures and other things on it to your email or phone randomly ?

    Start Firefox in [[Safe Mode]] to check if one of your add-ons is causing your problem (switch to the DEFAULT theme: Tools > Add-ons > Themes).
    See [[Troubleshooting extensions and themes]] and [[Troubleshooting plugins]]

  • Nice to see 13" retina but it has only Intel HD Graphics 4000 and does not have NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 1GB of GDDR5 memory card. How it will affect the speed, performance and other things compared to 15" retina where NVIDIA GeForce card is available.

    Nice to see 13" retina but it has only Intel HD Graphics 4000 and does not have NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 1GB of GDDR5 memory card. How it will affect the speed, performance and other things compared to 15" retina where NVIDIA GeForce card is available.

    The 15" Retina's will have better performance than any 13" Retina. Not only do the 15" machines have dedicated GPU's, but they also have quad-core processors, whereas the 13" Retina's only have dual-core processors.

  • Old computer I had is OSX Snow Leopard with Entourage. New one is OSX Mavericks. Using Mail where are my addresses and old address book. Transferred old computer backup by Time Machine and other things work? Can't see a symbol for address book.

    Old computer I had is OSX Snow Leopard with Entourage. New one is OSX Mavericks. Using Mail where are my addresses and old address book. Transferred old computer backup by Time Machine and other things work? Can;t see a symbol for address book.

    Where are addresses kept on MAIL?  I don;t like the new format at all. Frances
    Begin forwarded message:
    From: Frances Topping <[email protected]>
    Subject: Re: - Old computer I had is OSX Snow Leopard with Entourage. New one is OSX Mavericks. Using Mail where are my addresses and old address book. Transferred old computer backup by Time Machine and other things work? Can't see a symbol for address book.
    Date: August 25, 2014 at 9:46:01 AM EDT
    To: discussions-replies <[email protected]>
    Old Entourage is POP and new Mavericks MAIL  is IMAP I believe. I don;t know how to export in the forms you mention. Frances

  • I had a windows laptop, and I save files like photos, documents, videos and other things on an external hard drive, and now I want to move those files to the Mac book Pro, and then move those files again to another external hard drive 1T. My question is:

    I had a windows laptop, and I save files like photos,documents, videos and other things on an external hard drive, and now I want tomove those files to the Mac book Pro, and then move those files again toanother external hard drive 1T. My question is: Is it possible? Doing this willnot affect the files that I had in windows? No information is lost? or how cani do it?

    Connect the external drive to your Mac and drag the files from it to your Mac's internal drive. Then dismount and disconnect the external drive, connect the 1TB external drive, and drag the files from the internal drive onto the external. Nothing will have been deleted from any of the drives up to this point; the files will only have been copied. Verify that the files are readable. There's no reason they shouldn't be; this is just a precaution.
    Now if you wish to delete the files from any of the drives, drag them to the Trash, and Empty the Trash while the drive from which they came is still connected. If you disconnect the drive before emptying the Trash, the files you were trying to remove from it won't be deleted. They'll remain in the Trash and continue to take up space on the drive.
    Note that if your external drives are in NTFS format, you won't be able to write anything to them or delete anything from them, though you will be able to read and copy the files they contain. The NTFS disk format is read-only to the Mac OS, unless you have a third-party NTFS driver installed. To make your drives cross-platform readable and writable, you must reformat them in the FAT32 or ExFAT format.

  • Hello. It can be a iPhone4 accessories for the one with pictures and other things are transferred wirelessly to a TV? Thank you

    Hello. It can be a iPhone4 accessories for the one with pictures and other things are transferred wirelessly to a TV? Thank you 

    You need an Apple TV to be able to wirelessly send pictures etc. from iPhone.
    However you can buy an adapter if you want to connect to a TV
    http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC953

  • My Wife got an iPhone at work. IT set it up the first time on another machine, they finally install iTunes on her machine but I don't know if she can sync without loosing Photos, SMS, and other things. She had six months of stuff on that phone?

    My Wife got an iPhone at work. IT set it up the first time on another machine, they finally install iTunes on her machine but I don't know if she can sync without loosing Photos, SMS, and other things. She had six months of stuff on that phone?
    The problem is she can't update to new software until she connect to iTunes, but she don't want to loose all that info.
    My question is:
    If she register her apple ID on that new computer, and sync the phone, will she loose everything? or iTunes will back up first (because apple id match) and then sync.
    Otherwise, how can I do it? The closest apple store is 3 hours away. thanks!

    Before you connect to a new PC, make sure that autosync is disabled in Edit/Preferences/Devices, otherwise her phone will be wiped during the following sync.
    If she has data on the phone she wants to save, back up manually:
    Disable autosync in iTunes, connect your phone to her new computer and right click on it in the device list and choose backup. iTunes will backup your phone without syncing. Transfer the purchases the same way, choosing "transfer purchases" this time.
    When you connect your phone for the first time, all media content will be erased. But you can restore your settings and app data from your manual backup afterwards.
    Don't forget to set up at least one contact and event on your new computer to be able to merge calendars and contacts when you sync the phone for the first time.
    About backups and what's saved:http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1766
    How to back up and restore:http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1414
    How to download apps for free again:http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2519
    Transferring data is also covered here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4137

  • I am having trouble with my mac book air. I think I have a virus because everytime i click on a link it openes up popup windows and other things. How do I reset teh computer?

    I am having trouble with my mac book air. I think I have a virus because everytime i click on a link it openes up popup windows and other things. How do I reset teh computer?

    Please post a screenshot that shows what you mean. Be careful not to include any private information.
    Start a reply to this message. Click the camera icon in the toolbar of the editing window and select the image file to upload it. You can also include text in the reply.

  • When is Apple going to start working with ADOBE and let us enjoy some videos and other things on our beloved iPads and iPhones?

    When is Apple going to start working with ADOBE and let us enjoy some videos and other things on our beloved iPads and iPhones?

    How totally clueless can one be?
    Apparently not more than you.
    Adobe has given up on mobile flash for any device. They announced this a while ago.
    They admitted mobile flash is a disaster and are jumping on the HTML 5 bandwagon.
    Adobe has moved on, why can't you?
    http://www.technobuffalo.com/mobile-devices/adobe-announces-the-end-of-flash-pla yer-for-mobile-devices/
    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/11/adobe-to-end-mobile-flash-plu g-in-development.html

  • TS2570 I think i have virus. Everytime I click on something whether it's on Google or opening an Email etc.. I get a pop up ad appear in another tab. I have tried everything to stop this increasing the pop up blockers and other things it still happens

    Everytime I click on something whether it's on Google or opening an Email etc.. I get a pop up ad appear in another tab. I have tried everything to stop this increasing the pop up blockers and other things it still happens. I don't know what i can do to fix this?!

    Please review the options below to determine which method is best to remove the Adware installed on your computer.
    The Easy, safe, effective method:
    http://www.adwaremedic.com/index.php
    If you are comfortable doing manual file removals use the somewhat more difficult method:
    http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203987
    Also read the articles below to be more prepared for the next time there is an issue on your computer.
    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-7471
    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-8071
    http://www.thesafemac.com/tech-support-scam-pop-ups/

  • HT3606 I have Mac OS X version 10.5.8 and so im wondering what is the next step i need to get. i have tried to get snow leopard and other things and not having any lukck . can any one help me out pls.

    I have Mac OS X version 10.5.8 and so im wondering what is the next step i need to get. i have tried to get snow leopard and other things and not having any lukck . can any one help me out pls.

    If your Mac meets these requirements:
    http://support.apple.com/kb/SP575
    then you can order a Snow Leopard disk and install it.
    http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A/mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard
    Ciao.

  • What to do to back Clear private data and other things I loose?

    It has about 15 days ago, it appear window Firefox on my desktop, to download 3.6.13 version. Inside this window wrote "URGENT" in yellow color, and attention, "computer online attack". When I finish to install this Firefox, I saw that I loose Clear Private Data and other things I had in the first line, on the top of computer (sign of mail etc.), and things where is the star and flash. 1. Was it yours or send it to me someone else...? 2. Does this 3.6.13 include Clear private data? 3. What to do to have again Clear private data? Please, wrote step by step, 4. What to do to back other important things I loose?

    You may have picked up a malware infection by allowing that install.<br />
    You should never respond to such unrequested pop-ups.
    Do a malware check with some malware scanning programs.<br />
    You need to scan with all programs because each program detects different malware.<br />
    Make sure that you update each program to get the latest version of their databases before doing a scan.<br />
    * http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam.php - Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware
    * http://www.superantispyware.com/ - SuperAntispyware
    * http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/defender/default.mspx - Windows Defender: Home Page
    * http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html - Spybot Search & Destroy
    * http://www.lavasoft.com/products/ad_aware_free.php - Ad-Aware Free
    See also:
    * "Spyware on Windows": http://kb.mozillazine.org/Popups_not_blocked
    * [[Searches are redirected to another site]]

  • HT3986 I installed windows 7 successfull, but when I start the mac in windows I does not see the wifi, and others things. How do I get the drivers?

    I installed windows 7 successfull, but when I start the mac in windows I does not see the wifi, and others things. How do I get the drivers?
    I remember that with Snow Leopard you could download them from the Apple website.
    Cheers!

    Read the Boot Camp Documentation while you run Boot Camp Assistant to download the Windows Support Software which was the first step in the Boot Camp Setup procedure.

  • Hi - I am a new iPad user - I am trying to sync/transfer my iTunes and other things from my PC to my new iPad - I purchased a cable for it today - still stuck on how to do it!  Please HELP! :)

    Hi - I am a new iPad user - I am trying to sync/transfer my iTunes and other things from my PC to my new iPad - I purchased a cable for it today - still stuck on how to do it!  Please HELP!

    Syncing with iTune
    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1386

  • How to upload pictures, contacts, and other things from my old iPhone

    How to upload all my pictures, contacts, and other things from my old iPhone

    If you want everything copied over then you can copy your iTunes downloads over to your computer's iTunes library by connecting it and doing File > Devices > Transfer Purchases and you can then backup up your old phone via File > Devices > Back Up - you can then restore that backup onto your new phone (or iPad as this is the Using iPad forum).
    Backups and restores : http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4079
    Transfer content to a new device : http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2109 (you can also backup/restore via iCloud, but not all iTunes content is redownloadble, so you might not get all items copied over).

Maybe you are looking for

  • Where is INCLUDE KOMKZ for adding field to Free Goods Determination ?

    http://help.sap.com/saphelp_46c/helpdata/en/0e/9e466f0e18d311ae620060b03c9bbe/content.htm This page is the info in SPRO for adding a field for Free Goods Determination. New fields for free goods determination are added in the following INCLUDES: Head

  • Print settings on Photoshop CS5

    Has the ability to select print settings (size and type/profiles of paper to be printed) with Photoshop CS5 been elimnated?   Is there some different  way I can select the settings? I am now unable to find a way to select size and paper type, even th

  • How do I get a list of cameras names from MAX to use in a CVI app?

    I wish to avoid any confusion in selecting cameras to use in my CVI application, so I'm looking for a way, from within my app, to get the list of camera names as set up in MAX. Then I can populate a listbox and the user can choose their camera withou

  • Prime Number Formula in PL/SQL

    Hi Friends, Oracle 11.2.0.1 Windows XP Prof. Two questions, but almost same nature : 1.Is there any formula by which we can get the total count of prime numbers for a given number; i mean suppose I says 10, it means it should return 3; i.e. there are

  • How to store Invalid Dates in SQL Server 2008

    Hi, I have SQL Server 2008 and My table has start_Date and end_date column which is DATETIME datatype. Somehow my table is having invalid dates which is lesser than 1753-01-01 00:00:00.0 range. I want to know how this date get inserted in the SQL Ser