Raptor as boot disk or storage/scratch?

Could anyone please advise me? The 250 GB Western Digital Caviar hard drive I installed in my first generationn dual 2GB G5 recently and partitioned for static storage and scratch disk for Photoshop definitely runs slowly. I'm thinking of moving it into an enclosure and replacing it with another. Many people recommend the 74MB 10,000rmp Western Digital Raptor. Anyone here got any experience of it please?
Should i make it my boot disk and move the applications and OSX onto it, or should I keep my Seagate Barracuda 160MB original drive as the OS/boot/application disk and use the Raptor for a scratch disk for Photoshop, or use the seagate as the secondary disk? What's the best
way of doing all this?
Also what's the best solution for an enclosure for converting the WD Caviar into an external drive?
Thanks in advance

I didn't know that about CS2 (which is the version I'm running). Thanks for that. I have 3.5 GB RAM, so it runs quite fast anyway, but a few tasks still take a little while.
Thanks for info re the hitachi too. I'll look at that. This has been really helpful. i wanted to flag it as helpful, but the option has gone and I have only a solved button.
Veda - the scratch disk arrangement has far more
utility with Photoshop releases PRIOR to CS2. CS2
utilizes memory far more than the hard drive - thus a
scratch disk does not provide much, if any
improvement, with CS2.
That said, I have used the same 74 GB Raptor in my
Dual 1.8 and now my Quad with no problems - really
like it. I now have about 55GB of applications - so I
may upgrade to the newer model soon. The new Hitachi
500 GB/16MB cache is getting excellent reviews for
performance and massive storage - you may want to
look into that as well.
Cheers

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What makes the seek noise so bad is that the computer is normally so quiet by comparison. So, if I'm sitting in my office and it's really quiet, all I hear is the faint sound of my X1900 fan. Then the Raptor kicks in and it's like finger nails going across a chalk board. Okay... maybe that an exaggeration, but it really is distracting! I also really hate when the Raptor just does a random loud click when your surfing the web or not doing anything disk intensive. Like, as I'm writing this post... click.......(silence)................... click, click...............(silence)... you get the idea. None of my other drives do that.
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Al

To be honest, I haven't run extensive scientific
tests but the ones I did perform didn't show much of
an advantage using a single Raptor as the
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rendered out the timeline. The scratch disk was set
to the RAID and the media was coming off a storage
drive. It took 4 minutes 49 seconds to render the
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(7200.09) and ran the same render. The OS was an
exact same version that I'm running on the Raptor (I
had cloned the Seagate from the Raptor using
SuperDuper!). Anyway, I ran the render on the same
file and it took exactly the same amount of time. 4
minutes 49 seconds.
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I'm not sure about your expectation of seeing FCP perform better in your test though. I wouldn't expect there to be any improvement there. Rendering speed tends to be limited by processing rather than disk speed for a start. Where a fast drive helps is when applications need fast reads and writes. Writing a 100GB self-contained movie from the FCP timeline to some external storage wont be speeded up no matter what system drive you have (unless the original footage is stored on the OS disk of course!). The speed will be dictated by the drive your writing to and the drive you are reading from. Unless you have set your scratch disk as your boot drive or footage is stored there or you're writing to it then the boot drive will have no effect.
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