Raw files, iPhoto, PSE9

I have just read several previous threads on this subject, and it isn't working. The problem is thus:
When you activate the external editor in iPhoto, iPhoto automatically creates a duplicate file. The original resides in a subfolder of the iPhoto-->Masters folder, the new file resides in a subfolder of the iPhoto-->Previews folder. You can see this by going to File-->Reveal In Finder in iPhoto. It is the duplicate file that actually opens in the editor. This preserves the original.
When you open a Raw image, it opens in Adobe Photo Raw. The editing process is wonderful. The problem is the save. It is not the standard Mac Save window. No matter what I do, it saves with a version number. It makes a mess of the iPhoto filing system, and iPhoto doesn't recognize the version numbered changed file.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Paul

Hi Paul,
Does it create a new edited file even when you make changes to the raw images in ACR dialog and click Done?
If ACR dialog itself suffices all your editing, then you may get rid of these new edited files. Else whenever Editor or Organizer works on raw files, they tend to create new file.
Thanks
andaleeb

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