Raw imports fail if shooting in RAW+JPG

I've got a canon Xsi and set it to record RAW+JPG for some testing. I installed 10.5.4 which claimed to support RAW for the camera. But I could never get any of the images to import.
I've now figured out what is going on. I was using the USB cable to plug into the camera which uses the Image Capture framework to copy the images to the computer. There is a bug in the image capture framework that it always uses the size of the JPG file when it copies the file over, even when copying the RAW file. This has the effect of truncating the RAW file, causing the RAW conversion to fail.
To work around this problem, use a card reader that causes the card to mount as a disk drive. You'll then get the whole RAW file and the image will import properly.
I've filed a bug.

Welcome to the Apple Discussions. Also if you just shoot RAW I believe iPhoto will import correctly from the camera. Since iPhoto creates a jpg file for each raw that is imported you will still have both types of files in iPhoto. Since I don't shoot raw I don't know if there's any difference between the jpg created by the camera and the one created by iPhoto when importing RAW only. If you get a chance to test it out and report that would be of interest to others. Thanks for the feedback.
TIP: For insurance against the iPhoto database corruption that many users have experienced I recommend making a backup copy of the Library6.iPhoto (iPhoto.Library for iPhoto 5 and earlier) database file and keep it current. If problems crop up where iPhoto suddenly can't see any photos or thinks there are no photos in the library, replacing the working Library6.iPhoto file with the backup will often get the library back. By keeping it current I mean backup after each import and/or any serious editing or work on books, slideshows, calendars, cards, etc. That insures that if a problem pops up and you do need to replace the database file, you'll retain all those efforts. It doesn't take long to make the backup and it's good insurance.
I've created an Automator workflow application (requires Tiger or later), iPhoto dB File Backup, that will copy the selected Library6.iPhoto file from your iPhoto Library folder to the Pictures folder, replacing any previous version of it. It's compatible with iPhoto 6 and 7 libraries and Tiger and Leopard. iPhoto does not have to be closed to run the application, just idle. You can download it at Toad's Cellar. Be sure to read the Read Me pdf file.
Note: There now an Automator backup application for iPhoto 5 that will work with Tiger or Leopard.

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I am considering shooting RAW + JPG especially of my children due to the amount of photos I take of them and the time it actually takes to process a RAW image. I figure RAW + JPG will give me the choice of having a finished JPG and a RAW image for archival purposes or even additional editing (if necessary). Obviously, Lightroom will know the difference between the two by the extension, but if I want to process JPGs in Lightroom, is there a better alternative for JPG processing...maybe Lightroom, maybe something else?
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Rolandy,
Sounds to me like you're suffering the same dilemna as I. I like my Nikon (D80) and want to fire away w/jpgs. Then I try some simple tests and find that there are images that get botched by the in-camera jpg conversion. Here's an example:
http://home.comcast.net/~kmsjss/test/index.html
I shot this pair in NEF+jpg mode (small jpg), with Sun WB, Normal other settings, sRGB IIIa. I ran the NEF into LR and used my presets plus a medium contrast curve and increased exposure (this all took about 3 mouse clicks). That red butler has grey painted details of the lapels, etc. As you can see, they're blown out in the jpg, and not recoverable (I had even more latitude w/the NEF). Also, the color of the butler is Ferrari red (shifted slightly toward yellow). I shot this as a test (forgive my shadow) as the scene has wide brightness range, and red, green, and blue. I've found that Nikon's IIIa color space is vivid, and inaccurate, especially for reds. The Ia space is more accurate, but not vivid. (confirmed by numerous pix, not just this pair).
So, I shoot NEF, use LR w/defined presets, and don't lose sleep over that rare great shot ;) that gets messed up by Nikon jpg conversion. LR is fast w/presets. Import the shoot, select one, Develop it, in Library select all the others, Command-Option-V, and you're in the ballpark w/the other shots. I prefer the colors I'm getting over Nikon's IIIa conversion, and I'm still tweaking the settings...
I'm also a hobbyist, so caveat emptor. I trust you're monitor is calibrated.
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If your camera is supported by current version of Lightroom, then the raw file(s) should import.
So, is Canon EOS Rebel XS 1000D supported by Lr4.3? If so, it should go (assuming you've got 4.3 installed), if no go, a bug report should be submitted, promptly, at:
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Hi twims,
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I usually store both RAW and a small JPG file for each photo I take using a Canon EOS 7D. When these are imported into Lightroom 4.4, Lightroom only shows one image, reporting that the associated JPG is a 'sidecar' image. When imported into Photoshop Elements 11 Organiser both photos are displayed i.e. every single photo is duplicated.
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Lightroom and the Organizer have something in common : they do not contain picture files. They only store the information about where the files are physically stored. They are a list of those paths (locations). Raws and jpegs of the same shot are two different picture files. So, you can't speak about duplication from that point of view.
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I don't think that you really need to shoot raw + jpeg most of the time.
It may be useful when you are getting acquainted with raw processing.
It may be to have an instant way to display the pictures on your card when you have no computer at hand. In that case, deleting the jpegs from catalog just after the import into the catalog is the quickest and simplest solution.
For viewing the raw pictures on your computer without Elements, it may be useful to have another free software able to show the thumbnails of raw files (faststone, xnview...)
Also, if shooting raw only, it's easy to export a (temporary) ad hoc jpeg version of your import batch from the Organizer to share with friends. It's best done after culling and rating and doing some quick keywording.

Raw + JPG from two cards

With the D3, I write RAW images on one card slot and JPG to the other. When I shoot with other cameras that do not have two card slots and shoot Raw+JPG to the same card, LR is set up to treat these pairs of files as one. When I batch rename, both files get renamed. The problem is that I do not know of a way to "combine" the Raw and the JPG when they are copied from two separate cards but otherwise are the same photo. Does LR have a way to do this after the fact?
The reason why I want to do this is to use LR to rate, sort and renumber the images from a shoot. End prints will be made from the Raw files. But I'd like to use the camera JPG's as the basis for uploading the images to the web quickly. The raw images often need more tweaking than the JPG for web delivery. To get the images online quickly, I need to use the JPG versions. And in order to do this and not rate both a raw and the same jpg, I need for LR to see them as the "same" file. Can this be done?

Jao, thanks for your post. The reason why I do need to treat the +JPGs as one file is specifically so that I can rate and rename them.
It would be nice if LR allowed you to import Raw+JPG as one but then gave you an option to display one or the other type of file. This way, I could go through the JPG's faster for rating as the files are smaller, but still apply the rating to the RAW files. Then I could also create a web site from the JPG's in LR w/o doing anything special as well. When I am ready to make adjustments to the RAW files, I could set the LR switch to only display and adjust the RAW files. Since LR is already smart enough to treat them as "one file", I would not think it would be a stretch to add a display option to display one file type or the other.
But back to my original post, I think that the solution that you have provided should work. I can simply copy the files to the hard drive first from the two cards and when I import the files into LR, LR should then know to keep the RAW and JPG files together.
Once the rating and renaming is done on the combined files, I can simply create a windows folder with just the files that are rated high enough to put on my web site for the shoot. Then, I could either re-import just the JPG files into a catalog to create a web site of just the JPG's, or easily use Bridge to segregate out only the JPG files to create a web site using Bridge. While these procedures are not ideal, they are easy and will work quickly to accommodate hundreds of images. So the only missing piece for my was copying the images to the hard drive before importing them into LR. Thanks for the tip!

RAW+JPG renaming/deleting workflow broken?

I tried to shoot RAW + JPG.
LR show only the NEF files [RAW] and uses the JPGs as a "sidecar".
if I rename teh NEF the JPG gets renamed with the same filename and the proper different extension.
the problem is when I delete the rejected NEF files - the corresponding/relative JPGs don't get deleted as well
and I need to do it manually in the finder outside of LR,
am i doing something wrong? I find this behavior inconsistent and it could be annoying if I need to do that with many files at once.
I can always download the images from teh camera to TEMP download folder - move the good photos to a different folder and empty the JPGs that have not deleted.
a bit of a cumbersome workflow...
stefano
stefpix dot com
yesterday's photos
http://tinyurl.com/27fazg
or
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Amazing, so it's actually intentionally 'broken'. At the very very least, mentioning this in the manual would have been nice...(or did I miss it?) I can see where they're coming from as seen from a *particular* workflow perspective, but they are making some pretty big assumptions along the way, all of which can be challenged.
Assumption (1): RAW and JPG files with the same name are *always* both created in the camera.
- I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but I have sometimes saved rendered JPGs (from RawShooter) alongside my RAW files. The upcoming(?) RawShooter settings conversion utility will not give the exact same results, so I'd like to keep the JPGs in my library.
Assumption (2): The JPG is always inferior to the Lightroom-rendered RAW.
- Not true. Sometimes the camera vendors employ some sophisticated wizardry to their JPGs that can sometimes yield satisfying final results or a good reference for raw editing. I suspect this holds even more for the newer batch of SLRs that supports 'in-camera developing', applying proprietary coloring effects, etc to the rendered JPG.
Assumption (3): People get horribly confused when they see *choose* to shoot RAW+JPG and actually see two files.
- Well, I'm probably not the target market, since I'm one of those 'organized' photographers, but ok. If I have chosen to create two files that every other imaging program considers to be different, I have consciously done so, and I do not get confused if I see different files. In fact, I *expect* all my files to show up in Lightroom. Of course having neat options to hide either type of files is a plus.
As for suggestions to improve this in future versions, I'd say:
* Make it an option (selected by default) to not import sidecar JPGs and use them only for preview. [mentioned in Podcast]
* Implement auto-stacking for files with the same name. [mentioned in Podcast]
* Even better, allow for auto-stacking with similar names (using a suffix, like '-') and images that were shot at the same time. See also http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bc34b40/1
* Implement a command to sort the images in all stacks in the current view. This could be used to place all RAWs or JPGs on top.
* Implement a synchronization feature that synchronizes (selected) keywords and collections across stacks. [deals with mentioned keyword problem]
* As an alternative to all stack-based options above, simply implement a viewing filter to only show files of a certain type within the currently selected category. This way, people can easily remove all JPGs from view.
Cheers,
Simon

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