Raw+Jpeg import shows 2 files

I have run into an issue when importing photos from my IPad. When I am working from remote I import my images to my IPad using the connection kit and then import them when I return to work on them in Aperture. Since upgrading to Mountain Lion and Aperture 3.3.2, the files are no longer attached to each other and show as separate images. This is creating 2 images for every RAW+Jpeg file I import. Is there a way to get Aperture to join the two images back together? Is anyone else running into this issue?

Did you check your RAW+JPEG import setting? (see below) It sounds like yours was set to Both (Separate Originals). Set it to one of the first two to have them joined.
I don't know of a way to join them after import (nor separate them either).

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Anyone know? I gather that simply deleting the JPEGs in the finder will mess up the Aperture library.

http://blogs.oreilly.com/aperture/2007/09/getting-rid-of-unwanted-manage-1.html
http://www.bagelturf.com/files/f2152c171c89f2ce02166f0f69bdac17-993.php
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How do I delete the jpeg from raw+jpeg imported images?

Hi,
Back in the day, I shot lots of images using raw+jpeg and imported them into Lightroom. Now I realize those jpegs add no value and I'd like to recover the disk space that they're collectively occupying.
Is there a good way to:
1. Identify all images in a catalog which have raw+jpeg?
2. Remove just the jpeg for these images?
Thanks!

$$PhotoHobby wrote:
I'm very hesistant to take the chance on any 3rd party script.
Just so ya know, what the deletion feature in RawPlusJpeg does is ultra simple:
1. Identifies extraneous jpeg files.
2. Presents them for you to review.
3. Deletes the extraneous jpeg files, if you approve. (puts them in the recycle bin if possible).
It does nothing to the database nor anything else.
You sync folders with 'Treat JPEG files next to raw files separately' afterward, which is what sets the database right.
The only potential for trouble is the criteria for determining which jpegs are extraneous.
It has no direct access to the database, so what it does is check for jpegs with same base name as raw (which *must* be present in catalog, and on disk), that aren't in the catalog, which includes the jpegs associated with RAW+JPEG (imported as a unit), *and* any jpegs that were imported separately, but subsequently removed from the catalog, or had never been imported.
So, what it does will be the perfect thing to do, *if* you first synchronize folders (with 'Treat JPEG files next to raw files separately' checked) to pull any jpegs in to the catalog that were previously imported separately, but may have been inadvertently removed from the catalog (or had never been imported), before invoking the delete feature of the plugin.
Note: You must do that for any manual procedure too, or you will have the same problem, except in the manual case, you won't have the benefit of the plugin checking your work, and presenting the files to be deleted, before you commit.
It's your call, obviously, and to save Geoff the Kiwi from pointing this out: the plugin comes with no guarantee, warranty, or any other kind of tea.
Consider backing up catalog and photo files before doing this maintenance, whether manual, or plugin-assisted.
In my opinion, the plugin-assisted method is much safer than the manual method, which is the only reason it was written, *not* to save steps, although it does that too. For example, you can not, with the plugin, delete any jpegs that do not have a corresponding RAW in the catalog and on disk, period. - unless there is a bug of course, but there probably isn't , at least not one that would change the aforementioned assertion... - it wouldn't take much of a bug to cause it to barf, but it would take a big bug to cause it to delete files that weren't on the list, etc...
Seriously, I don't think you have to wait for Adobe on this one. I wouldn't (I didn't - my catalog is all clean now!...).
PS - there is *very* little recorded in the database about the jpeg sidecar - it's existence upon import (when "as a unit") - that's about it. Most of the funny business about updating that we were fumbling with above, stems from the software (and the person at the keyboard), *not* the database. Syncing folders with 'Treat JPEG files next to raw files separately' checked, once the jpeg sidecars have been cleaned up, *will* set the database straight!
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Rob.

Bug? Raw+Jpeg imports from an iPad mini

Hi Everyone
I've come across a very strange importing issue with iPhoto 9.6 (910.29). I'm always on the go so I use my iPad mini as photo storage until I gain access to a computer. I’d take my pictures on the camera and then I’ll plug the sd card to the iPad and copy everything that is on the card (via the Apple Lightning to SD card Camera reader).
I take pictures in (1) RAW only, (2) RAW+Jpeg and (3)Jpeg only.
When I import from the camera to the MacBook Pro directly via USB:
all the 3 formats are properly imported.
When I import from the iPad in iPhoto:
The pictures shot in (1) RAW only and (3)Jpeg only are imported properly
But when I import the (2) RAW+Jpeg ones, iPhoto will only import the Jpeg versions and will give me the error message "Unreadable file: The following files could not be imported. The file is in an unrecognized format" for the RAW versions of the same image.
Here is what I do not understand:
- The RAW format that my camera uses (.RW2 for Panasonic FZ1000) is supported so there shouldn't be any issue.
- (1) RAW only pictures are correctly imported
- all formats are correctly imported when importing directly from the camera.
It seems this bug only affects RAW+Jpeg imports from the iPad?
Has anyone come across this issue before and if so, is there a fix or workaround? It is not that much of an issue as the RAW only files can still be imported from the iPad but I find this issue very curious.
Thanks in advance for the help.

Not sure about the fix but the workaround is to not shoot Raw+Jpeg, which is pretty pointless anyway, as importing the Raw to iPhoto means it creates a Jepg preview, so you end up with Raw +Jpeg+Jepg...

Raw & Jpeg import into LR3.3

Hi,
Just upgraded to LR3.3; I can now import RAW files from my Sony A33. I shot the images using the RAW & JPEG setting. The import was sucessful and the file extensions on the image shows ARW & JPEG. My question is, how can I access the images separately; the RAW and the JPEG. In IPhoto the images show up separately. I'm a newbie to LR; any help appreciated.

If you have "Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate photos" checked in your preferences, LR will import ARW and JPEG completely seperately and you can access (and work on) both of them. But there won't be any automatic synchronization of metadata and such.
If you have this option not checked, the JPEGs are only imported as so called "Sidecar Files", which you cannot look at or access for development.
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RAW+JPEG Import Question

I switched from Windows/LR to Mac/Aperture last year and have a question about importing RAW and JPEG files.
My camera (Olympus EM5) finally has RAW support and I have been shooting RAW+JPEG. I got a preset that I like to apply to the RAW files during the import. But I don't want the preset applied to the JPEG files. What I have been doing is importing the RAW and JPEG separately.
Is there a way to import them all together and have the preset only applied to the RAW files on import? Thanks.

What import settings have you tried? What configuration do you want the library to have (Both RAW + JPGs as separate masters or only one of them as master?).
If you want the RAW as master try importing as Both (RAW as master) to see if the preset is only applied to the RAW.
If you want both as masters, that is you're importing Both (Separate masters) then I don;t believe it will be possible to restrict the preset to just the RAWs on import. But instead of importing the images in two separate batches it might be easier to import both and to apply the preset after import using Metadata->Batch Change. It would be easy to filter just the RAW images to apply the preset to.

Aperture Raw & Jpeg import Problem

I'm on the current Aperture and face the following situation: I have a memory card containing photos shot partly as jpeg-only and partly as jpeg&raw.
No problem one should think since Aperture has the option to only import either raw or jpeg if there are more than one format per photo. Unfortunately, that is not working. If you select raw only, which I do for the raw&jpeg photos, Aperture does not import Photos which only have a jpeg-version at all.
This is not consistent with the options name and at all renders the whole import options useless in my case.
Am I missing something or is Aperture having an issue here?

I shot raw and jpeg since I was on a trip through the US and my Macbook broke so I had to use my iPad to upload the photos to my blog. Unfortunately the iPad software (iPhoto etc.) does not allow to change the resolution and with that the filesize of the photos. Uploading of hundreds of photos of more than 2 mb over public wifis on campgrounds etc is simply not possible, so I used the following workaround: Set raw+minimum jpeg size as file format and upload the small jpegs to the blog while keeping the raw on the memory card for later use.
That's why I shot both raw and jpeg and why I have photos shot as jpeg or raw only (before the laptop crash) and both raw and jpeg (after the crash) on the same memory card.
I'm Aperture user from the the very first version (when it was like hundreds of Euros), and I sadly cannot say that I'm surprised of the lack of support for non-standard workflows.
Well, so be it. Thank you for your help!

RAW + JPEG Import Settings Confusion

I recently bought a new camera which allows me to shoot in RAW and RAW+JPEG mode. I have at present set it to the latter, partially to be safe, and also for allowing quick image loading when out and about and can quickly upload the JPEG files to my ipad.
But having just purchased Aperture 3, I am really confused over the RAW+Separate import brick's choices.
I really cannot work out which is the best option,
Both (Raw as Master),
Both (JPEG As Master),
Both (Separate Masters) or
Just RAW.
I have been reading a book called "Aperture 3 Portable Genius, but to be honest, it has only made things even more confusing!
Can someone please advise which are the best settings to use, and under what circumstances I would use the particular setting.
Thanks :-)

"best settings to use" is hard to answer, since it depends what kind of photography you're doing and how you like to work.
It might be useful to understand that if you import 'jpeg as master' aperture treats the jpeg/master pair as one entity. When you edit the photo in AP you'll be editing the jpeg. If you want to get to the RAW, you'll have to choose "Set Raw as Master". Vice-Versa if you import 'raw as master'.
If you import 'both (separate masters)' you'll see both jpeg and raw in AP as 2 separate files which can be edited separately. I've never actually used this option, so I could be wrong about that.
I guess the first thing to decide is which format you most want to work with in Aperture. If you only want to work with RAW in AP, then choose 'RAW files only'. In this scenario the only reason you're shooting raw+jpeg is for the quick upload to iPad.
Maybe it would help if I explain how/why I use pairs. I shoot a lot of architectural interiors and most of the time I work closely with an art director who needs to see what the shots are looking like as the session proceeds. I shoot raw+jpeg for this and send the jpegs to my laptop over wi-fi for review. This is the *only* reason I'm shooting pairs, as the tiny jpeg makes the journey so much quicker than the large raw and is of sufficient quality for the purpose. I have the camera set to produce the smallest jpeg possible for fastest transfer.
Back at base I'll import the raw files only. Even if I was using a higher resolution jpeg I'd still only import raw. For me it's what Aperture is all about, and unlike say... wedding photography, this type of shoot is low volume so there's no advantage in working with jpeg, and many advantages in working with raw.
Actually, I use another import option for pairs: 'matching Raw files only'. This is a huge timesaver. It means that during the shoot we can rate the photos (jpegs) as we go, and I'm only importing the raws that meet that rating. IE I don't have to import the entire shoot and try to remember which lighting set-up (for eg) the director liked best.
Hope that helps. Also, take a look under "more like this" upper right on this page. Some good stuff in there.
Charles

Raw + JPEG import in LR

whether you will treat Raw and JPEG as separately files in LR 3? how about your preferences?

Matt,
Edit>preferences>general Check the box "Treat jpegs next to raws as seperate photos"
This will takee effect the next time you import. It will not change what is already imported unless you remove what you have now and reimport.
Rich

RAW + JPEG import settings: one step forward, two steps back

I've been waiting ages for Aperture to allow import of RAW files without the sidecar JPEGs (my camera doesn't allow an option not to record a JPG with each RAW). I thought, finally! It's here! But they managed to screw it up. I'm trying to import folders of images in which there is a mix of JPG, DNG, and RAW + JPG. If I set it to ignore the JPG images for pairs, it ignores all jpg images, even those that are not paired with a RAW file. (It also ignores the DNG files from my Ricoh GR II camera, but that's another issue....)
So what gives? Why act like you can choose options for RAW + JPG pairs, when all it really offers is to either import only RAW or only JPGs in given folder?

I rarely encounter the two click menace so there seems to be a strange difference in what may happen.
Apart from that, you may consider bookmarking the forum thread list(s), and using that when you just wish to go to the first page.
That may also give you the opportunity to have the Discussion as default (I never go elsewhere), and to set (up to) 100 threads per page.
You can insert the right code at the end of the URL to get the Discussion and also to get 100 threads. This is how it looks for this forums (from the ? on),
http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments?view=discussions#/?per_page=100
as opposed to this,
http://forums.adobe.com/community/general/forum_comments

Can Raw+JPEG be handled in Aperture 3 as it was in Aperture 2?

One of the things I thought Aperture 2 did much better than Lightroom was the way it handled images shot as raw+jpeg. In Aperture 2, both the raw and the jpeg were imported, but the jpeg was hidden. I could write click on an image, and choose "New Version," "New Version from Master," or "New Version from Master JPEG." That is, unless I created a new version from the Master JPEG, I didn't see it.
I'd like to get Aperture 3 to work the same way. But the new raw+jpeg import doesn't seem to allow that. I can choose to import only raw or only jpeg, but that leaves the other format out completely. I can choose to import both, and set either the raw, the jpeg, or both as masters. If I choose to import both, and set the raw as the master, I don't see an option that will let me access the jpeg image, should I wish to. If I set both as the masters, then my browser view has every image I've taken duplicated, since there's a version for each master. I could stack those, with the raw as the stack pick, but that seems to be as close as I can come to the Aperture 2 model. Again, am I missing something?

-In the image browser select the Raw images you wish to work with as jpegs.
-Control+click and set jpeg as Master.
-In Search field of the image browser, enter ".jpg" to display only images with the jpeg extension and hide all Raw files.
-Perform the functions you want (e.g., creating a Light Table with the jpegs). Export, etc. as desired.
-To re-display Raw and hide the jpegs, select them, then Control+click and reset Raw as Master.
-Be sure to clear the ".jpg" you entered into the search field so you can again see the Raw files.

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The files are there and not damaged. I used the software from Sony and the software from Canon and was able to view the raw files. I wanted to make sure what I put was accurate so I tried viewing the files again. Even with the Canon software when I tried to view some of the raw files full screen it wouldn't let me.

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Importing both JPEGS and Raw Files with RAW+JPEG In-Camera Setting...

I normally shoot with the RAW+JPEG on my cameras, but Aperture only imports the CR2 file.
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Nevermind:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304868
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