RAW + JPEG Separated in 1.5.1

I don't think I imagined it, but it seems that in V1.5 my RAW and JPEG files were displayed as one image. Since updating to V1.5.1, they are now separate images in the project. I don't want to manually stack them all. Was this an intentional change? Is there some easy way to combine them once again?
Karen

Thanks for replying, jmcm. Upon further experimentation, I find it is just the RAW+JPEG files that have had IPTC data added in PhotoMechanic. Just another instance of the incompatibility of PhotoMechanic and Aperture.
Karen

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Bug: RAW+JPEG Pairs import setting affects movie imports

Hi,
I want to exclude JPEG duplicates during import, but if I set RAW+JPEG Pairs to "RAW files only", then movie files are not imported. The only way I can get movie files imported is to import both RAW and JPEG. Is there a workaround for this bug?

Import the stills and movies separately and change the setting between imports.
If you feel this is a bug report it using Aperture->Provide Aperture Feedback

How do I delete the jpeg from raw+jpeg imported images?

Hi,
Back in the day, I shot lots of images using raw+jpeg and imported them into Lightroom. Now I realize those jpegs add no value and I'd like to recover the disk space that they're collectively occupying.
Is there a good way to:
1. Identify all images in a catalog which have raw+jpeg?
2. Remove just the jpeg for these images?
Thanks!

$$PhotoHobby wrote:
I'm very hesistant to take the chance on any 3rd party script.
Just so ya know, what the deletion feature in RawPlusJpeg does is ultra simple:
1. Identifies extraneous jpeg files.
2. Presents them for you to review.
3. Deletes the extraneous jpeg files, if you approve. (puts them in the recycle bin if possible).
It does nothing to the database nor anything else.
You sync folders with 'Treat JPEG files next to raw files separately' afterward, which is what sets the database right.
The only potential for trouble is the criteria for determining which jpegs are extraneous.
It has no direct access to the database, so what it does is check for jpegs with same base name as raw (which *must* be present in catalog, and on disk), that aren't in the catalog, which includes the jpegs associated with RAW+JPEG (imported as a unit), *and* any jpegs that were imported separately, but subsequently removed from the catalog, or had never been imported.
So, what it does will be the perfect thing to do, *if* you first synchronize folders (with 'Treat JPEG files next to raw files separately' checked) to pull any jpegs in to the catalog that were previously imported separately, but may have been inadvertently removed from the catalog (or had never been imported), before invoking the delete feature of the plugin.
Note: You must do that for any manual procedure too, or you will have the same problem, except in the manual case, you won't have the benefit of the plugin checking your work, and presenting the files to be deleted, before you commit.
It's your call, obviously, and to save Geoff the Kiwi from pointing this out: the plugin comes with no guarantee, warranty, or any other kind of tea.
Consider backing up catalog and photo files before doing this maintenance, whether manual, or plugin-assisted.
In my opinion, the plugin-assisted method is much safer than the manual method, which is the only reason it was written, *not* to save steps, although it does that too. For example, you can not, with the plugin, delete any jpegs that do not have a corresponding RAW in the catalog and on disk, period. - unless there is a bug of course, but there probably isn't , at least not one that would change the aforementioned assertion... - it wouldn't take much of a bug to cause it to barf, but it would take a big bug to cause it to delete files that weren't on the list, etc...
Seriously, I don't think you have to wait for Adobe on this one. I wouldn't (I didn't - my catalog is all clean now!...).
PS - there is *very* little recorded in the database about the jpeg sidecar - it's existence upon import (when "as a unit") - that's about it. Most of the funny business about updating that we were fumbling with above, stems from the software (and the person at the keyboard), *not* the database. Syncing folders with 'Treat JPEG files next to raw files separately' checked, once the jpeg sidecars have been cleaned up, *will* set the database straight!
Cheers,
Rob.

Switching between RAW & Jpeg

I have searched the forum, but unable to find a step-by-step procedure that I can understand.
I have imported my pix (Raw+Jpeg Pairs) both as masters. They both show as one project, but I cannot find out how to have each show as a separate project (and other than going to Metadata, there is now way of telling which is which). Ultimately, I will delete the Jpegs but for now, I would prefer to have both.
Help please.

This is an option that needs to be added eventually, but for now, your best bet is, upon import, to select list view, then click on either the File Type column or the File Size column. That will separate jpegs from RAW, or at least group them separately. Then you can easily select all the RAW (uncheck all, click the first, shift-click the last, then do an import; repeat for the jpegs). Not smooth or elegant but it will work. I think the "auto split projects" option should do this all for you, but alas, not.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you need any clarification.
Rob

Shooting Raw + Jpeg

I frequently shoot raw + jpeg so have a lot of files with the same name but different extensions. When I try to import the raw files and jpegs both into Lightroom (I'm using version 1.0) I only get the raw files. If I try to import the jpegs separately it tells me that they are already in the library. Is there a way to import both?

Okay, that will work Sean. I have another question for you. My practise has been to keep my raw files and the final converted JPG. I use the JPG for most applications, and only go back to the raw file if I need to reconvert for some reason, perhaps to make a TIFF for a really big print.
So, I have about 45,000 photos that I have both NEF and JPG versions. I want to keep both in my LR library, plus any other "versions", such as a reduced JPG for the web, all in my LR library.
Also, as I go through the library and want to cull images, I want to delete all the "versions", the NEF, JPGS at once.
How would you suggest I go about this in LR?
Thanks in advance (and thanks for all your great work and nifty blog site :-)

RAW+JPEG Import Question

I switched from Windows/LR to Mac/Aperture last year and have a question about importing RAW and JPEG files.
My camera (Olympus EM5) finally has RAW support and I have been shooting RAW+JPEG. I got a preset that I like to apply to the RAW files during the import. But I don't want the preset applied to the JPEG files. What I have been doing is importing the RAW and JPEG separately.
Is there a way to import them all together and have the preset only applied to the RAW files on import? Thanks.

What import settings have you tried? What configuration do you want the library to have (Both RAW + JPGs as separate masters or only one of them as master?).
If you want the RAW as master try importing as Both (RAW as master) to see if the preset is only applied to the RAW.
If you want both as masters, that is you're importing Both (Separate masters) then I don;t believe it will be possible to restrict the preset to just the RAWs on import. But instead of importing the images in two separate batches it might be easier to import both and to apply the preset after import using Metadata->Batch Change. It would be easy to filter just the RAW images to apply the preset to.

Raw & Jpeg import into LR3.3

Hi,
Just upgraded to LR3.3; I can now import RAW files from my Sony A33. I shot the images using the RAW & JPEG setting. The import was sucessful and the file extensions on the image shows ARW & JPEG. My question is, how can I access the images separately; the RAW and the JPEG. In IPhoto the images show up separately. I'm a newbie to LR; any help appreciated.

If you have "Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate photos" checked in your preferences, LR will import ARW and JPEG completely seperately and you can access (and work on) both of them. But there won't be any automatic synchronization of metadata and such.
If you have this option not checked, the JPEGs are only imported as so called "Sidecar Files", which you cannot look at or access for development.
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Switzerland

RAW + JPEG Import Settings Confusion

I recently bought a new camera which allows me to shoot in RAW and RAW+JPEG mode. I have at present set it to the latter, partially to be safe, and also for allowing quick image loading when out and about and can quickly upload the JPEG files to my ipad.
But having just purchased Aperture 3, I am really confused over the RAW+Separate import brick's choices.
I really cannot work out which is the best option,
Both (Raw as Master),
Both (JPEG As Master),
Both (Separate Masters) or
Just RAW.
I have been reading a book called "Aperture 3 Portable Genius, but to be honest, it has only made things even more confusing!
Can someone please advise which are the best settings to use, and under what circumstances I would use the particular setting.
Thanks :-)

"best settings to use" is hard to answer, since it depends what kind of photography you're doing and how you like to work.
It might be useful to understand that if you import 'jpeg as master' aperture treats the jpeg/master pair as one entity. When you edit the photo in AP you'll be editing the jpeg. If you want to get to the RAW, you'll have to choose "Set Raw as Master". Vice-Versa if you import 'raw as master'.
If you import 'both (separate masters)' you'll see both jpeg and raw in AP as 2 separate files which can be edited separately. I've never actually used this option, so I could be wrong about that.
I guess the first thing to decide is which format you most want to work with in Aperture. If you only want to work with RAW in AP, then choose 'RAW files only'. In this scenario the only reason you're shooting raw+jpeg is for the quick upload to iPad.
Maybe it would help if I explain how/why I use pairs. I shoot a lot of architectural interiors and most of the time I work closely with an art director who needs to see what the shots are looking like as the session proceeds. I shoot raw+jpeg for this and send the jpegs to my laptop over wi-fi for review. This is the *only* reason I'm shooting pairs, as the tiny jpeg makes the journey so much quicker than the large raw and is of sufficient quality for the purpose. I have the camera set to produce the smallest jpeg possible for fastest transfer.
Back at base I'll import the raw files only. Even if I was using a higher resolution jpeg I'd still only import raw. For me it's what Aperture is all about, and unlike say... wedding photography, this type of shoot is low volume so there's no advantage in working with jpeg, and many advantages in working with raw.
Actually, I use another import option for pairs: 'matching Raw files only'. This is a huge timesaver. It means that during the shoot we can rate the photos (jpegs) as we go, and I'm only importing the raws that meet that rating. IE I don't have to import the entire shoot and try to remember which lighting set-up (for eg) the director liked best.
Hope that helps. Also, take a look under "more like this" upper right on this page. Some good stuff in there.
Charles

"Error while relocating" after deleting RAW from RAW+JPEG pairs (Important FYI)

This is not a question, but something I recently discovered that I think will be important for the Aperture community.
Not too long ago, I asked a question about how to remove the RAW files from RAW+JPEG pairs. The concensus was that it couldn't be done through Aperture, but that one could delete them through the Finder. The answer I got (and that has popped up in other threads on similar topics) was "it's probably not wise, but as far as I know, it won't have an adverse effect." I don't think any response along these lines has been able to point to a specific problem that can arise from such a "hack." Well, I found one today...
It appears that if a user uses Finder to "break" RAW+JPEG pairs by deleting the RAW file and leaving the JPEG (and I assume this goes for deleting the reverse), Aperture will NOT be able to "Relocate Originals..." Instead, "Aperture will return the error: Error while relocating (File not Found): "(null)". I ran into this error the other day while trying to change my file structure by relocating all files. I regularly ran into this error, and it was only after some extensive that I was able to narrow it down 100% of the time to the RAW+JPEG pairs I had "broken." I haven't encounterd any other adverse behavior from "breaking" these file pairings, but this one, at least, could be serious.
So, for future reference, I think the response by the Aperture community when someone asks "How do I delete the RAW file from RAW+JPEG" pairs, should be "Use Finder if you must, but please note Aperture will not be able to 'Relocate Originals..
PS This should NOT be understood as a criticism of those who have responded to this question in the past. There's obviously no way to know about these little quirks until one of us stumbles across them. I hope this information will be helpful going forward, both as a caution when deleting one of the pair, and as a possible answer for the "Error while relocating" message.
PPS I don't think I ran across an explanation for this when I originally searched for the error message bolded above.
If someone has already provided this information, my apologies.

Frank Caggiano wrote:
Interesting the last post before this one you posted was back in May 2011 Removing RAW, keeping JPG?
Thanks for that thread. That helps jog ye olde memory. As such, I would edit my original thread to read "The concensus I gathered from researching multiple responses to questions similar to mine was that it couldn't be done through Aperture*, but that it was possible from Finder though highly inadvisable." I won't bother recreating my research at the time (not even sure I could, since it was more than two years ago), but suffice it to say that the thread you've linked was not my sole encounter with this problem. I do appreciate that you've reminded me that this was not something I had done solely through numerous posts on Apple Discussions. I imagine I likely spent time reading multiple posts here and elsewhere, uncovering the concensus (which i think is still a fair term) that it could not be done through Aperture*, could be through Finder, but was inadvisable.
*This is still accurate, afaik. You cannot delete the pair from a RAW+JPEG pair in Aperture. Exporting, then deleting in Finder, then reimporting is still not something "done in [entirely] Aperture."
Frank Caggiano wrote:
No one actually told you to delete anyting in in the Finder you came up with this yourself as your own solution
This comes from the critical mistake on my part of not making clear that I was paraphrasing multiple responses rather than saying "Bob told on a Monday that i should..." That is one huge mea culpa and I'd edit it if I could. To be clear, my comment that "it's probably not wise, but as far as I know, it won't have an adverse effect" is a paraphrase of multiple answers to the broad question dealing with how Aperture handles files that have been deleted in Finder. At the time, it was known that you could delete a file in Finder, that Aperture could be made to accept that, that it might cause issues further down the road, but that those issues were unkown. I paraphrased that but failed to make it clear that's what I was doing. Again, my apologies.
Frank Caggiano wrote:
So I'm not really sure what it is you are coming back here now to say? There was no 'consensus' to do this, it was your own 'solution'
In this respect, I think you've misunderstood me. At the time I made this post, I still was not seeing a direct connection between deleting files in Finder and adverse consequences in Aperture (or perhaps I should say my searches did not turn up such a connection). As such, I made this post to provide the community with clear evidence of why one should not delete one-of-a-pair files in Finder. Again, I may have simply missed the thread that detailed that to do so would result in a null error when relocating Masters. That said, in July 2013 I had been pulling my hair out trying to figure out why I was getting the null error and I did not see a thread that asked "have you deleted files in Finder" as a way to troubleshoot.
Hopefully, I've cleared up any confusion now. To bring this all back around to my original point for the thread, I intended it to (1) offer a more direct way to troubleshoot the null error on relocating Masters, and (2) to offer a cautionary tale for those who choose to delete one of the RAW+JPEG pair in Finder. There are better (though more time- and space-consuming) ways to get it done, and my original post should help demonstrate why.

Looking for some RAW + JPEG Workflow suggestions

I'm looking for some suggestions on how best to organize my workflow now that I've started shooting with RAW +JPEG. I previously shot only in RAW, but the time spent in post-production was killing me. I've realized that for 95% of my shots that already have the correct exposure, white balance, etc, a JPEG photo is really all I need and saves me a ton of time. I've become convinced that editing every single photo from a shoot in RAW is overkill. I want to have the RAW versions, however, to rescue that occasional great shot where I unfortunately miffed the settings.
Through reading other posts here and experimenting, I've found that Aperture basically defulats to showing me only the imported RAW photos and that I need to click "New Version from Master JPEG" to see the JPEG version. This seems counterintuitive to the workflow I'd like to establish though. (i.e. I'm thinking it would be nice to see only the JPEG versions, and then only bring up the RAW version when the photo needs some serious correction).
I suppose I could highlight the entire batch of imported photos and select "New Version from Master JPEG" and then sort through each RAW/JPEG stack, but I'm still hoping there's a less cumbersome way. Anyone out there have any good workflow suggestions for this issue? I'm curious how other people out there deal with this issue in their workflow.
Thanks in advance!
Message was edited by: Nate Cannon

Try this - I do this as a matter of course:
-select all of the photos after importing them into a project
-create a new album from selection/call it JPG
-with all of the images still selected create new version from master JPEG. all of these should now be the album pick
-close all stacks, the JPEG will be the one showing up on top for that album.
RB
More here: [Aperture RAW+JPG|http://photo.rwboyer.com/2009/01/14/aperture-2-quick-tip-shooting-rawjp g>

RAW files not showing when I shoot raw + Jpeg!!!

I have a strange issue that has only recently started happening. I have started shooting raw + jpeg to speed up post processing. However, after I import the files into Organizer the raw files will not show. At first I thought it was the camera. So I used a different brand DSLR. I had the same issues with my Sony and my Canon. I have shoot raw with the Sony for years and never had an issue. I have shot raw with the Canon and haven't had an issue. It is only when I shoot raw + jpeg. I formated both cards prior to using them.
The files are there and not damaged. I used the software from Sony and the software from Canon and was able to view the raw files. I wanted to make sure what I put was accurate so I tried viewing the files again. Even with the Canon software when I tried to view some of the raw files full screen it wouldn't let me.

I am using PhotoShop elements 10. My cameras are a Sony a230 and Canon 60d.

Import of RAW+JPEG pairs?

Just when I thought I had it all together...I seem to have forgotten where I put it. I need some expert assistance.
Aperture manages my Library which is kept on an external HD.
I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D200--two image files for every shot. To anticipate the question--I'm learning about the D200, and I want to be able to see the IQ differences between an Aperture-adjusted RAW image and a D200-adjusted jpeg.
I understood that when I imported my image files into Aperture, both files of the pair were imported and saved in my Library. I know I was working with the RAW file for all my adjustments and exports, but I believed that if I wanted that camera-adjusted jpeg, it was available from my Library. I'd also understood that I could call up that camera-adjusted jpeg using Option+J while selecting the paired RAW image in the Viewer. I know I can get a jpeg counterpart to the highlighted RAW image using Option+J--but whether it is generated by Aperture or camera is now uncertain.
Can someone who knows answer the following:
(1) Are both images in the shot pair (.nef and .jpg) imported into Aperture?
(2) If the Option+J image is not the downloaded, camera-produced image--then where does the resulting jpeg file which appears come from, and where are the adjustments for it set?
(3) If my original understanding is correct and both images in the pair were loaded into my Library--why can't I find the paired jpeg? It's not listed with the RAW files in my Finder, and my Spotlight doesn't find it either.
(4) Is there a way to get that paired jpeg into my Library along with its RAW counterpart.
One note on backup workflow: If those paired jpegs aren't imported into the Library, I'm fortunate to have followed advice from some of you here in the forum. Thanks to you, I always download my files using a reader and save them to a folder on my desktop. After importing them into Aperture from that folder, I move them to a folder I use to accumulate a batch for burning to a DVD for archiving. Only when burnt, do I erase them from the desktop and reformat my card. If, in fact, I've been wrong about those paired jpegs being in my Library, then I've still got them on my DVDs. Instead of being redundant with my Vaults, the DVDs will be my only source for them. Thanks to those of you who got me to buy into that workflow.
Terry

Thanks. A little Tough Love from the experts sent me back to try one more time to puzzle through the pages of posts on this subject. Sorry, but there's too much noise and contradiction in those pages of posts for me to buy in.
I did what each of us probably should do--an experiment. I noted the "New Version from Master JPEG" aka Option+J was grayed out if only one of the pair (either .nef or .jpg) was imported. Only having the pair imported activated thet Option+J pick. Excellent, and just what I hoped to see.
I also drilled down to the lowest level of the imported image folders in the Library. I'd previously stopped when I saw the image name but for some reason neglected to open the lowest folder to check for file extensions. Careless on my part. I confirmed what everyone here is regularly assured--that all the imported image files are available in the Library (and Vaults) should Aperture fail, or someone decide to leave Aperture for the dark side. Again, just what I hoped to see.

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Thanks everyone for all your help! I am now able to import the RAW files. Steve and Don especially thanks so much! I am posting my solution in case someone out there has had the same problem.
In the past, using the prompt generated from within LR, I downloaded the update and ran the install. However using Don's information I realized the splash screen indicated 1.1 and the number did not match the build # provided by Don.
Based on this information, I went to the Adobe site, reran the download via the Adobe site (not LR) and reran the install. Of note, this install process gave different screens from when I ran install from the files downloaded accessed via the LR prompt. The biggest difference is that this time I got Adobe directions for how to execute the update. I next confirmed that I had the update files on the hard drive, opened the file as directed by Adobe and the install updated. However I was still getting the LR 1.1 splash screen.
Based on information posted elsewhere, I determined that I needed to delete the LR icon from my desktop. I moved "LR 1.4.1" from the start menu to the desktop. I now launch LR 1.4.1 when I hit the LR icon and I have successfully downloaded a boatload of RAW files. Thanks All! You are geniuses!

Can Raw+JPEG be handled in Aperture 3 as it was in Aperture 2?

One of the things I thought Aperture 2 did much better than Lightroom was the way it handled images shot as raw+jpeg. In Aperture 2, both the raw and the jpeg were imported, but the jpeg was hidden. I could write click on an image, and choose "New Version," "New Version from Master," or "New Version from Master JPEG." That is, unless I created a new version from the Master JPEG, I didn't see it.
I'd like to get Aperture 3 to work the same way. But the new raw+jpeg import doesn't seem to allow that. I can choose to import only raw or only jpeg, but that leaves the other format out completely. I can choose to import both, and set either the raw, the jpeg, or both as masters. If I choose to import both, and set the raw as the master, I don't see an option that will let me access the jpeg image, should I wish to. If I set both as the masters, then my browser view has every image I've taken duplicated, since there's a version for each master. I could stack those, with the raw as the stack pick, but that seems to be as close as I can come to the Aperture 2 model. Again, am I missing something?

-In the image browser select the Raw images you wish to work with as jpegs.
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-In Search field of the image browser, enter ".jpg" to display only images with the jpeg extension and hide all Raw files.
-Perform the functions you want (e.g., creating a Light Table with the jpegs). Export, etc. as desired.
-To re-display Raw and hide the jpegs, select them, then Control+click and reset Raw as Master.
-Be sure to clear the ".jpg" you entered into the search field so you can again see the Raw files.

IPhoto '11 and RAW/JPEG handling (good/bad) ?

I've upgraded to iPhoto '11 and discovered (don't know if it's a new feature) that iPhoto handles RAW extremely well. I can view RAW files and edit etc in a smooth manner - which is great.
Actually it's so great that i've started shooting photos in RAW only (so i don't get duplicates in iPhoto when importing RAW/JPEG) - but is it a good idea to shoot/import RAW in iPhoto only? (and skip the JPEG file).
If it's better to shoot/import both RAW and JPEG, how do you guys handle the identical pictures (RAW/JPEG) in iPhoto?
Finally, if i only have RAW in iPhoto, how do i 'export' the RAW picture? If i drag and drop the picture to desktop, RAW is automatically converted to JPEG (which is great in 99% of the times).
Hope to hear some of you guys ideas regarding this subject.

When you import a Raw to iPhoto it automatically creates a jepg preview of the file. Why? Because you cannot do anything with a Raw: you cannot print it, use it a slideshow and so on. However, with this preview you can work with the photo immediately.
Shooting in Raw+Jpeg is a bit pointless as you have this automatic preview anyway.
if i only have RAW in iPhoto, how do i 'export' the RAW picture?
File -> Export and set the Kind to Original
Dragging to the Desktop accesses only the latest version of the photo.
Regards
TD

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