RAW + old photoshop generated .XMP file conversion to DNG

I have a set of camera raw files (.mos) and .xmp side car files that were generated in photoshop several years ago. I am thinking about converting all of the files and side cars to DNGs because Leaf Capture software is no longer being updated.
Before I do I want to confirm that Lightroom can read both the raw AND the corresponding side car files and convert them into single dngs. I also want to know if the .xmp information is extractable after the dng is created in the same way that the raw/original file is extractable.
I've been trying to test lightrooms ability to read .xmp files on my own. I added a .mos file in a folder with a corresponding .xmp file and a .mos file in a folder without a corresponding .xmp file. Lightroom reads similar adjustment information for both images but only generates a preview that more closely resembles a finished retouched .PSD of the added .mos file that does not have the .xmp file in the folder it was added from. I'm at a bit of a loss regarding how to proceed.

nonovsco wrote:
Upate on situation: I followed up with the individuals that created the files and found out that the side car files were in fact generated by leaf and not photoshop. i tried another test and it looks like the folder with a .mos +.xmp file is now reading differently than a .mos file by itself. both suggest that changes were made to the files with modulations in the "develop" section of lightroom.
You can view the XMP file data in Notepad or any other text editor, just select 'Open' and select 'All File Types' so you can see the XMP files. It should be possible to store both C1 and LR develop settings in the same XMP file, but there may be some naming conflcts. Review of an XMP file with both C1 and LR develop settings saved to it should show the two different develop data sets in Notepad. Conversion to DNG should save ALL XMP data, but you may lose some of the (edit) Leaf proprietary data that may be in the raw file's metadata. For now I'd hold onto the raws + XMPs, even if you do convert to DNG.
You can use EXIFtoolGUI to examine the metadata in the new DNG files and compare it to the original XMP file's data. My Canon DSLRs appear to have all of the manufacturer's 'Makers Notes' copied over from the raw file into the DNG metadata.
http://freeweb.siol.net/hrastni3/foto/exif/exiftoolgui.htm

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I take many hundreds of 'technical' photographs using an Olympus E1 and Canon G9 cameras. I usually bracket the exposures on the E1, specially when photographing white painted yachts, and then rate and select the images that I want in ACR 4.1.1. Unwanted images are deleted at this time.
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I have the same issue with Canon and Nikon raw files, so this problem is not specific to Olympus files.
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[quote] As far as Photoshop and ACR go, ALL raw files are treated as read-only.
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Bo LeBeau wrote:
If I understand correctly the issue is not viewing in Bridge, but rather that ACR doesn't remember the changes.
There is a discussion in the Camera Raw forum about this issue of not always reading the changes after clicking Done in ACR.
But no solution.
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4096784#4096784
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It seems that I have the same problem as the other forum member from the link. I tried to recreate the issue, but this time all went well and ACR displayed the changes I made ...
It is strange because I had the issue numerous times on two different windows PC's ...
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