RAW profiles & processing

My RAWs look ugly. (Canon G3 & Lightroom Beta 2)
How can I select in Lightroom which camera I use?
(I only see a choice between two ACR profiles)
Can Lightroom see this automatically?
Does it differ if I import from disc or from the camera itself, regarding to RAW profile recognition?
I want my shots to look exactly like the JPGs, because they have the colors I am used to. From this starting point, far less tweaking is needed.
I know a jpg is embedded in the RAW etc. etc.
RAW is not really an image bla-di-bla.
Don't tell me all that. Please read the post.
No offence.
Thanks,
Geoff

However.....although I shoot almost entirely RAW, I tend to think that if there are no extreme lighting or color conditions that call for large adjustments, that the .jpegs produced in camera are not discernible from idealy processed versions from the RAW file. And I find that doing the RAW file conversion on your own with LR or any program requires some time and effort -- and considerable more time and effort until you get a system down. Frankly, I don't have a system "locked down" yet that consistently produces jpegs from the RAWs that are noticably better than the in-camera jpegs -- but I like the piece of mind from being able to make larger corrections if needed. Really, it's probably not a clear net benefit in time v. quality for me yet....but that's where I am.
Anyhoo, I'd recommend shooting RAW + jpeg and play around a bit to see for yourself.
Frank

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Since updating to OSX 10.7.4 last week it seems to have broken some of Apertures RAW profiles for some cameras.
My Nikon D700/D300 files are all fine but my RAW files for my Lumix GX1 are green!
I also get the message "This Photo was adjusted using an earlier version of Apple's RAW processing" and then it offers me the option to Reprocess.
This fixes the green issue but doing this file by file when you've imported over 100+ is a real pain. The RAW for the GX1 was supported and was working fine before updating to OSX 10.7.4
Any ideas whats going on?

See this support article: list: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4757
The support for the gx1 seems to have been moved directly into MacOS 10.7.4, and for Aperture this is a change of raw support.
Regards
Léonie
P.S: Perhaps this will help:No guarantees, I never tried it:
Re: This photo was adjusted using an earlier version of Apple's RAW processing

Do I need to use camera Raw to process images?

Do I need to use camera raw to process raw images b4 editing with PSE? And if so do I need to download it seperately? I can't find it under help/updates in PSE

What version of PSE and which camera? Normally, if you try to open a raw file into the editor, the camera raw window should pop up automatically.

Best RAW Image Processing for Canon Digital Rebel XT - PS Elements 6??

I'm new to RAW image processing and image editing. I just bought a Canon digital Rebel XT. It comes with Canon Digital Professional 2.1 software. I also have Aperture upgraded to 1.5.6, which I have tried on JPEGs from an earlier digital camera that only gave me JPEG files. Since Aperture doesn't give me as much editing diversity, I purchased the newly released Photoshop Elements 6 (and I don't have any experience with Photoshop). Thus, I now have 3 different RAW image processors. Does anyone have some experience with these 3 to suggest which one is best? The learning curve looks pretty steep, and it would be helpful to know which of these to focus on, at least initially.
Thanks in advance for the help!

Disgruntled3x wrote:
I'm new to RAW image processing and image editing. I just bought a Canon digital Rebel XT. It comes with Canon Digital Professional 2.1 software. I also have Aperture upgraded to 1.5.6, which I have tried on JPEGs from an earlier digital camera that only gave me JPEG files. Since Aperture doesn't give me as much editing diversity, I purchased the newly released Photoshop Elements 6 (and I don't have any experience with Photoshop). Thus, I now have 3 different RAW image processors. Does anyone have some experience with these 3 to suggest which one is best? The learning curve looks pretty steep, and it would be helpful to know which of these to focus on, at least initially.
Thanks in advance for the help!
Now that you have the Canon DPP installed i would update it to version 3.2 which is at Canons site.
Now, DPP has the best conversion quality for Canon RAW files. I used it a lot and although limited in what adjustments you have, it offers the essential adjustments and I liked it a lot.
Aperture also does a great job with Canon RAW files, but version 2.1 is even better
Photoshop Elements 6 I have not used but I do use Photoshop CS3
Personally for RAW I prefer Canon DPP over Adobe Camera Raw
And I prefer Aperture over Adobe Camera RAW too.
Now that Aperture has improved it's RAW conversion immensely and it offers tethered shooting with the XT, I am using Aperture exclusively to process RAW files.
An application like Elements or Photoshop CS3 are great if you want to do more advanced layered work and layer blending effects, however, for sepia , black/white, general image color & saturation or desaturated effects and good RAW conversion? I am all about using Aperture.
Now although I use it on a MBP, I will only do edit and color judging when attached to a cinema display or any good LCD with a DVI connection to the laptop.
But in conclusion, for RAW adjustments may as well focus on Aperture and use Elements for the few edits that Aperture does not allow.

RAW Photo Processing in Different Programs

It "Seems" to me that Aperture does not recognize RAW photo processing from another program. I use Canon Digital Photo Professional for downloading and initial processing of my RAW photo's. Again, it seems that when I want to do additional processing of these photo's in Aperture, the original corrective processing in Digital Photo Professional is NOT carried over.
Can someone shed help clarify this for me - Thanks.

It's raw, not RAW. Raw is not an acronym, it is a word meaning unprocessed data. A raw file is the unprocessed data from the camera's sensors. You never even see the raw data. It has to be converted to RGB pixels before you can see it on your monitor. Any editing you do involves either (a) adjusting the parameters used in the conversion, or (b) adjusting the pixels after conversion. No raw processor that I know of changes the original raw data. The changes apply to the converted image. It really makes little sense to adjust an image in one program, and then open the raw file in another and expect to see the adjustments. By the time the adjustments were made, it was no longer raw. If you save as a 16-bit TIFF at full resolution, you lose nothing except disk space. (And perhaps workflow efficiency.)

Camera Raw profile

I am wondering if I am supposed to see my camera model in addition to "Adobe Standard Profile" when I go to Camera Raw Profile list. I have a Sony Alpha Nex-5 and only see the Adobe standard profile. Is that correct? I have the latest Camera Raw installed (6.3) with PSE9.
Thanks for your help!

I think the Camera Raw profiles exist primarily for Nikon and Canon cameras.

Camera Raw Profiles - Fuji Pro S5

Does anyone know if Camera Raw Profiles will be created for the Fuji Pro S5 in a future release?

Camera Raw has provided profiles for the Fuji S5 Pro since version 4.1. With CR 4.5 there are now 3 profiles to choose from: 4.1, 4.4, and Adobe Standard beta 1, which you can download from the Adobe Labs web site.

Raw profile Nikon D610

How can i get the raw profile of a Nikon D610, it's not included in the newest file 8.0.0.137 for phtoshop elements 12?

Since you already installed the 8.3 dng converter and only need the camera raw 8.3 plugin, you can download it from here and replace the existing camera raw 8.0 plugin
Replace the Camera Raw .8bi in
C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\Plug-Ins\Elements 12\File Formats (64 bit vista system)
or
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Plug-Ins\Elements 12\File Formats (32 bit vista system)
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/camera-raw-84-support-policy/_jcr_content/main-pa rs/download_0/file.res/Camera%20Raw_83_GM_32bit.zip
(unzip the download to get the plugin)
From this page:
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/camera-raw-84-support-policy.html#Revert%20to%208 .3%20on%20Mac%20OS

Camera Raw Photo Processing Challenge

No pressure, just a bit of fun here. In a recent thread I posted a raw file to illustrate a sky color issue, and several people showed an interest in processing it into an image using techniques they often use.
Let's do it again, with a better image this time.
Imagine you've been contracted to do a shoot of a Dark Charcoal Mustang GT for a brochure. You drive the car to a scenic spot on a pretty day, take some photos, and now you're back at your computer with the raw files. Your goal is to produce the following:
A 2400 x 1600 pixel sRGB image that makes the car look great.
The image might have elements you want to remove, colors you want to improve, shapes you want to distort... Do anything you want to try to make the car appealing - mild to wild!
I've posted a Canon EOS-40D raw file here:
http://Noel.ProDigitalSoftware.com/ForumPosts/IMG_1728.zip
Open this image using Camera Raw, tweak it as you see fit, and post the 2400 x 1600 pixel result in this thread.
Have fun!
-Noel
P.S., here's my result. You might want to wait until you finish until you look at my interpretation. Or look at it now and one-up me! All in fun!

Noel Carboni wrote:
Rob Cole: Also nice work! You also chose a bit warmer color balance than I did, though not quite as warm as Yammer's. However, in your case the sky and clouds seem to have less depth than I would like (e.g., the subject of my other thread on sky colors being a bit washed out). And, like Yammer's, the tone curve in the darker parts almost hides all the tire detail, though as I mentioned above maybe this is actually a plus. You did also bring out the depth of the reflections in the surface of the car nicely. Looks like you distorted the image as I did to both level things a little and offset some of the perspective distortion. P.S., I didn't figure out which buttons to press on your site to download the full resolution image. But I was able to get it full screen, which was enough to judge quality.
I note that neither of you chose to use Content Aware Fill to get rid of the poles in the image.
I don't mind "criticism", as long as I *think* we're looking at the same thing - the business of color management really grinds me though - lots of people think they understand what's supposed to happen, but that's not whats happening but they don't know it, and they think others are messed up or wrong, and maybe they are, but nobody really knows... - been there too many times.
My take on your take:
- I agree the sky needed more work, but also: the overexposure/clipping made it difficult to bring out cloud detail without it looking artificial (next time drop exposure by 1/3 or so when shooting).
- I like the pinch of warmth in the background (most of the clouds, and foliage), but not in the car nor the road .
- tire detail: agree again - I enhanced it a smidge in the next version (see link below).
- I applied default distortion correction (via profile-base lens corrections), but no perspsective adjustment - mostly just rotated it (counter-clockwise).- I'm waiting for Lr4 to remove telephone poles;-}
Note: The next version:
(additional enhancements done entirely in NX2)
You may need to clear your cache if you recently viewed the previous version.
http://robcole.com/Rob/Personal/Pictures/Pictures.cfm?embedSWF&startDir=2011&openDir=Misco r&openFile=IMG_1728.nxc.jpg

Can I use the Pentax K20D raw profile for the Samsung GX-20?

Hi,
I have just got a Samsung Gx-20 (clone of a Pentax K20d). When I import Raw images to aperture they are extremely flat and colourless. I can import the same raw images to Adobe Lightroom and get excellent results so I know the data that I want is in the raw file.
Since I was getting good results from the pentax k10d profile in aperture I'm sure aperture is capable, but doesn't know the camera.
Is there some kind of plist or somesuch that I can edit so that the system will process the raw files from my camera as though they came from a k20d, and therefore hopefully solve my problem.
I don't want to migrate to lightroom as it doesn't have the ilife integration I enjoy.
Thanks in advance.

there is an easier way:
1. Go to the RAW Fine Tuning Brick in the Adjustments Inspector with one of the images from the K20D selected, and- remembering the original setting- change any setting.
2. click on the cog/gear and choose save as preset and name it.
3. Select one of the images from the gx20, click on the cog/gear again and choose the preset you just created.
4. Now change back the setting you changed in step 1, click on the cog/gear again and choose "Save as Camera Default.
I swear, it took five times as long to type that as will to actually do it.
DLS

Not All Camera Raw Profiles Showing In Lightroom 2.3?

Just downloaded the update for Lightroom 2.3 and am viewing a camera raw image (CRW file) shot on a Canon Powershot S50. According to what I've been able to ferret out on the Camera Raw / DNG pages, when I have that image selected and look at the Camera Calibration Settings profile options I should be see the original ACR 2.2 and 2.4 profiles plus 2 new profiles, an Adobe Standard profile plus one that mimics the manufacturer's own converter profile that starts with the word "Camera..." and goes on to mention the manufacturer and specific camera. I see only three - ACR 2.2, ACR 2.4, and Adobe Standard. The 4th one the Adobe Labs DNG materials seem to say I should be seeing is missing. Have I misread the documentation or is something wrong with the install? (I have not yet upgraded from Photoshop CS3 to CS4 so the Camera Raw converter over in Photoshop is still version 4.6 if that's relevant.)

There are no camera matching profiles for the S50. From the Powershot series there are only matching profiles for the G9 and G10, so you should indeed only see ACR and Adobe standard profiles.

Help printing raw profiling target!!

I know this has been beaten around, but I am looking for help, and the latest information on printing a raw target for printer profiling. I'm having troubles getting a decent target to profile.
First PSCS4, OSX 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard), Mac Pro Tower, Epson 1400 inkjet printer with Epson Claria inks. Driver is the Epson SP 1400 Series driver. Nozzle check and print head alignment are fine.
I printed out an untagged RGB test strip file four times on the same sheet of glossy paper. This file has 21 steps of gray, four each of red, green and blue, and three each of cyan, magenta and yellow. I use this file to help me pick the best driver settings when creating RGB printer profiles.In each case, the Epson driver used the exact same settings, with Color Management set to No Color Adjustment. Here are the PS dialog settings I used in each test print:
1. Untagged file, No Color Management in print dialog box
2. Untagged file, Printer Manages Color, RelCol, no BPC (according to Eric Chan, rendering intent is ignored in this mode)
3. File tagged with ARGB, Photoshop Manages Colors, profile set to ARGB destination profile, RelCol, BPC turned off.
4. File tagged with sRGB, Photoshop Manages Colors, profile set to sRGB destination profile, RelCol, BPC turned off.
I've been wary of Photoshop's "No Color Management" for awhile in Snow Leopard due to reported OS override, etc, but I wanted to compare the above four methods. Items 3 & 4 above were reported as workarounds on the Luminous Landscape site.
I found that methods 1 and 2 (NCM and Printer Manages) were very close to each other, within spectro error and usually less than 0.5 Delta E. Item 3 (ARGB to ARGB) should be identical, since it is a null conversion, but it is very different from 1 and 2. Item 4 (sRGB to sRGB) was different from the ARGB to ARGB conversion and also different from 1 & 2 by the widest margin. Holy smokes, folks! So, at least with the PSCS4, OSX 10.6.8 and the Epson 1400, the Luminous Landscape workaround does NOT work. While 1 and 2 seem to be a pretty good match, I have no idea whether they are both accurate RAW output, or whether they are both the same and both similarly flawed.
I just want to build a damn profile. I've been studying and using color management for 15 years, so I am not exactly new to this stuff.
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Lou Dina

Thanks, Dave.
That worked. I just created a glossy profile and got a great print from my new profile.
Best, Lou

RAW file processed in PSE doesn't show up in iPhoto library.

I'm new to digital photography and last night decided to process a RAW image for the first time. I opted to select a NEF RAW file in my iPhoto library and process it in PSE 4 for Mac. I did a right click on the image and selected "Edit in external editor." After processing the RAW image I saved it as a DNG file. However, when I returned to my iPhoto library I could find the DNG thumbnail. The NEF thumbnail from which it was derived is there but not the DNG thumbnail. This was totally unexpected, because after editing JPEGs in PSE 4 and saving them I have always found the thumbnails of the edited JPEGs in my iPhoto library alongside the original unedited JPEGs.
I can't do further editing of the DNG image if I can't find it! I would appreciate an explanation by some experienced hand as to what is going on here and how I can make contact with my newly produced DNG image! Also, how do I get it to show up in my iPhoto library?
I noticed that instead of saving the processed RAW file I had the option of opening it, presumably to do further editing in PSE. Had I done so and performed additional editing I would have saved it as a JPEG file. What procedure would I employ to make sure that the JPEG file ends up in the iPhoto library alongside the original RAW file?
Bob

Bob
The catch with working on a RAW file is that you cannot save it in its' original format. Your NEF file became a DNG file. iPhoto has no idea that this new file exists, so you'll have to import that to iPhoto.
This is also true any time you use a 'Save As' command.
Regards
TD

Considering buying aperture. Have raw images processed in NIK NX2 software. What happens to those files when imported into Aperture?

Understand NiK is discontinuing Capture NX2. Therefore would like to buy Aperture as host for image management. If I do purchase and import RAW files previously processed in NX2 into Aperture. Is old processing retained? Doubtful. Or is new processing required? Have an iMac with iPhoto 10 etc.

Richard and Beverly wrote:
If I do purchase and import RAW files previously processed in NX2 into Aperture. Is old processing retained?
You can import the image files converted from RAW and edited by NX2 but they will no longer be RAW NEF files they will be non-lossy TIFF files or lossy JPEG.
Or you can import the original RAW NEF files into Aperture for Aperture to do the RAW conversion.
To my eyes/brain with the Nikon cameras I use (D2x, D100, D5100) I find that NX2 provides the most pleasing RAW conversions, but I still use Aperture for its great workflow.
HTH
-Allen

Editing RAW files processed in iPhoto in the Windows version of Photoshop?

Although a fairly competent photographer I am new to digital image making/processing. Happily a professional photographer friend with a great deal of expertise in the digital area has offered to help me make some 13x19" prints I need for a job I'm completing. My friend as a very sophisticated facility for processing images and making prints so I pretty excited to have this opportunity.
Trouble is he uses a Windows version of Photoshop and has no experience with iPhoto, or for that matter Mac stuff in general.
My question is that I have some images shot RAW in 8 Megapixle Olympus E-300 and tuned up a bit in iPhoto 6. As I understand it iPhoto first converts RAW images into jpeg before processing and then outputs the edited images in that format. My friend, on the other hand, prefers to work with TIFF files.
How should I copy both the RAW and TIFF format images I have in iPhoto to a CD that will allow me to transfer the images I wish to print to my friends Window machine for editing in Photoshop?
Thanks!
Win

I suggest that you export the photos with kind = original which will give your your unedited RAW files - if you want the edited versions export with kind = TIFF if you want TIFF copies of the edited versions
Export these to a desktop folder and then burn that folder to a CD to take on your adventure
LN

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