RAW rendering in Picasa and Lightroom

Hi I have some questions regarding camera RAW rendering in Lightroom.
When I opened my RAW image with Picasa, Picasa initially shows the embedded JPG preview and then it shows the RAW color of my image (which the color is true to reality). However when I imported my RAW file to lightroom, my lightroom shows me the embedded JPG preview (magneta) even in the develop module. Can anyone tell me does this happen? I tried to open my RAW file in Photoshop elements and DXO Optic Pro 9 too and both of them render my RAW file as how Lightroom renders (magneta)
On the left - how Picasa renders my RAW file (the color is true to reality) ; on the right - how Lightroom renders my RAW file (magneta)

When I opened my RAW image with Picasa, Picasa initially shows the embedded JPG preview and then it shows the RAW color of my image (which the color is true to reality).
I disagree with that statement, Picasa does not provide "color is true to reality". It provides one of an infinite number of appearances, as decided by the manufacturer of the software. You may like it better, but it is not "true to reality".
Both RAW editors make decisions about how to display a RAW, and both RAW editors use a certain algorithm to make those decisions. The algorithms will not match, and will not produce the same results. One is not superior to the other. If the appearance of the RAW in Lightroom is not pleasing to you, then you have a huge number of tools to modify the appearance to get it to something you like. In particular, Lightroom offers camera profiles for many cameras that can automatically modify the appearance of a RAW photo to much closer match what the camera maker wants.

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Hi All
I have today noticed that Photoshop and Lightroom does nor read a RAW file the same way. Both running the 4.4.1 engine.
Here is a screen dump from PS, showing quite a lot of Highlight clipping.
http://picasaweb.google.dk/taasti/PSVsLG/photo?authkey=1J4sXZ_SvZw#5191662550019326466
And here is the same picture shown in Lightroom:
http://picasaweb.google.dk/taasti/PSVsLG/photo?authkey=1J4sXZ_SvZw#5191662618738803218

ACR will show clipping relative to the chosen color space, while (correct me if I'm wrong) Lr will always show clipping relative to ProProtoRGB.
You might want to convert a raw to DNG so that ACR settings will be embedded, then develope in either (choosing PpRGB as a pref in ACR), and then inspect in the other. It may even be useful to first make a copy of the DNG, name one Lr, the other ACR, and do the same thing going both directions. [Edit: The final test would be to open both in Ps ... and report back.]
What's your OS platform, and with what method have you calibrated your display? Are you using dual monitors? (none of these ?s will affect the degree of clipping, but might affect the brightness)
It's a fetch, but is there any chance the clipping level can be set as a preference? (ie, '252') Or is clipping simply defined to be off the histogram. (ie, '255')

Processing Canon G10 RAW Images in CS3 and Lightroom 2.1

I've not found a post on point. If I've missed one, sorry.
Contemplating getting a G10. After research here's what I understand. Please, correct me if I am wrong:
1. To process a G10 image in ACR, one has to have 5.2. One cannot use 5.2 in CS3. To process the image in CS3 one has to first convert to DNG. This can be done by way of a separate converter OR in Lightroom 2.1, on import.
2. Lightroom 2.1 will process the image in either RAW or DNG formats.
So, since I own both Lightroom and CS3 -- I will be able to use ACR in Lightroom if I don't want to convert to DNG first.
Am I right?
I don't want to buy the camera if I can't use my usual workflow.
Thanks.
sjh
PS. I think my CS4 Master Suite will arrive tomorrow. But, there is a lot of odd information about ACR and the G10 out there so I thought I'd take the time to clear it up and see if I got it right.

Lightroom 2.1 does NOT support native files from the G10. LR 2.2, which will be released in December will. So for both programs you need to use the Adobe DNG converter 5.2 to convert to DNG for the time being. It is unclear whether when you have LR 2.2 and CS3 installed whether "Edit in Photoshop" will work correctly with files from cameras such as the G10. It will always work fine if you use dng.

Photoshop's 18th, Camera Raw's 5th and Lightroom's 1st Birthday

It's recently come to light that Photoshop 1.0 was shipped on (or about) Feb 19, 1990. Ironically, the same day in Feb that Camera Raw 1.0 shipped and Lightroom 1.0 shipped.
You can read more at:
http://photoshopnews.com/2008/02/19/most-important-date-in-digital-imaging-history/

Tropes
antithesis
opposition, or contrast of ideas or words in a parallel construction
Human life is everywhere a state in which much is to be endured, and little to be enjoyed. (Samuel Johnson)
Not that I loved Caesar less, but that I loved Rome more. (Shakespeare, Julius Caesar)
apostrophe
addressing an absent person, a god or a personified abstraction
Judge, O you gods, how dearly Caesar loved him. (Shakespeare, Julius Caesar)
euphemism
substitution of an agreeable or at least non-offensive expression for one whose plainer meaning might be harsh or unpleasant
[] one particular lady, whose lord is more than suspected of laying his umbrella on her as an instrument of correction, [...] (Dickens, Bleak House)
hyperbole
obvious exaggeration for emphasis or for rhetorical effect
[] he couldnt, however sanguine his disposition, hope to offer a remark that would be a greater outrage on human nature in general [] (Mrs Chicks response to her husbands suggestion that the starving baby should be fed with the teapot since there was no nurse. Dickens, Dombey and Son)
irony
expression of something which is contrary to the intended meaning; the words say one thing but mean another
Well! said Mrs Chick, with a sweet smile, after this, I forgive Fanny everything! It was a declaration in a Christian spirit, and Mrs Chick felt that it did her good. Not that she had anything particular to forgive in her sister-in-law, not indeed anything at all, except her having married her brother in itself a species of audacity and her having, in the course of events, given birth to a girl instead of a boy []. (Dickens, Dombey and Son)
In addition [...] you are liable to get tide-trapped away in the swamps, [...] Of course if you really want a truly safe investment in Fame, and really care about Posterity, and Posterity's Science, you will jump over into the black batter-like, stinking slime cheered by the thought of the terrific sensation you will produce in 20,000 years hence, and the care you will be taken of then by your fellow-creatures, in a museum (Mary Kingsley, Travels in West Africa)
metaphor
a figure of similarity, a word or phrase is replaced by an expression denoting an analogous circumstance in a different semantic field. The comparison adds a new dimension of meaning to the original expression. Unlike in simile, the comparison is not made explicit ( like or as are not used, see the longer discussion in Analysing a Metaphor)
The web of our life is of a mingled yarn, good and ill together.
(Shakespeare, All's Well that Ends Well)
That fence about my soul (MacNeice, London Rain)
metonymy
a figure of contiguity, one word is substituted for another on the basis of some material, causal, or conceptual relation
My Head and Heart thus flowing thro my Quill (Pope, Imitations of Horace)
(i.e. the thoughts produced in my head and the feelings of my heart are expressed in the things I write with my quill)
oxymoron
(Greek for sharp-dull) a self-contradictory combination of words or smaller verbal units; usually noun-noun, adjective-adjective, adjective-noun, adverb-adverb, or adverb-verb a paradoxical utterance that conjoins two terms that in ordinary usage are contraries
bittersweet, pleasing pains, loving hate, etc.
I will complain, yet praise;
I will bewail, approve;
And all my sour-sweet days
I will lament and love. (George Herbert, Bitter-Sweet)
paradox
a daring statement which unites seemingly contradictory words but which on closer examination proves to have unexpected meaning and truth
Snail-paced in a hurry (Christina Rossetti, Goblin Market)
Dark with excessive bright thy skirts appear. (Milton, Paradise Lost)
paronomasia / pun
wordplay, using words that are written similarly or identically, but have different meanings
[] he
Who lied in the chapel
Now lies in the Abbey. (Byron, Epitaph for William Pitt)
Holland [...] lies so low they're only saved by being dammed.
(Thomas Hood, Up the Rhine)
Some folk are wise, and some are otherwise.
(Smollett, Roderick Random)
I always say beauty is only sin deep.
(Saki, Reginald's Choir Treat)
pejorative
the use of words with disparaging connotations
[] the nurse, a simpering piece of faded gentility (Dickens, Dombey and Son)
periphrasis
a descriptive word or phrase is used instead of a proper name
finny race (for fish)
The Swan of Avon (for Shakespeare)
On one occasion [...] a mighty Silurian [...] chose to get his front paws over the stern of my canoe, and endeavoured to improve our aquaintance. I had to retire to the bows, to keep the balance right, and fetch him a clip on the snout with a paddle, when he withdrew [...] I should think that crocodile was eight feet long. (Mary Kingsley, Travels in West Africa)
[...] the Fans round Talagouga wouldn't go at any price above Njole, because they were certain they would be killed and eaten by the up-river Fans. Internally consigning the entire tribe to regions where they will get a rise in temperature, even in this climate, I went with Mme Forget to M. Gacon [...]. (Mary Kingsley, Travels in West Africa)
personification / prosopoeia
animals, ideas, abstractions or inanimate objects are endowed with human characteristics
And moody Madness laughing wild
Amid severest woe
(Gray, Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College)
On the brow of Dombey, Time and his brother Care had set some mark.
(Dickens, Dombey and Son)
simile
two things are openly compared with each other, introduced by like or as
My heart is like a singing bird. (Christina Rossetti, A Birthday)
Youth like summer morn, age like winter weather.
(Shakespeare, The Passionate Pilgrim)
synaesthesia
the description of one kind of sensation in terms of another (description of sound in terms of colour: blue note; description of colour in terms of sound: loud shirt; etc.)
The eye of man hath not heard, the ear of man hath
Not seen, mans hand is not able to taste, his tongue
To conceive, nor his heart to report, what my dream was.
(Shakespeare, Midsummer Nights Dream)
If music be the food of love, play on [] (Shakespeare, Twelfth Night)
synecdoche
A figure of contiguity (form of metonymy), the use of a part for the whole, or the whole for the part: pars pro toto or totum pro parte
I went into a public-ouse to get a pint obeer
The publican e up an sez, We serve no red-coats here. (Kipling, Tommy)
(instead of a soldier, who wears a red coat)
understatement (meiosis)
an idea is deliberately expressed as less important than it actually is; a special case of understatement is litotes, which denies the opposite of the thing that is being affirmed (sometimes used synonymously with meiosis)
Last week I saw a woman flayed, and you will hardly believe how much it altered her appearance for the worse. (Swift, Tale of a Tub)
This is not unexciting. (litotes)

Camera Raw 5.5 VS Adobe Lightroom (color correction)

Hi, does somebody know if discarding the advantage of making layers of Photoshop, is the Adobe Lightroom color correction controls superiors to the CameraRaw PS Interface correction controls ??? I mean for color correction purposes is Adobe Lightroom better tan PS's camera raw interface ???? because for me both controls seem to be pretty much the same thing, does anyone know something about it ??
Thank you in advance !

RicardoAngelo wrote:
I mean for color correction purposes is Adobe Lightroom better tan PS's camera raw interface ???? because for me both controls seem to be pretty much the same thing, does anyone know something about it ??
Both Camera Raw (most recent version) and Lightroom (most recent version) share the EXACT same processing pipeline...however, there are subtle differences in usability. For example, ACR 5.6 has a Point Curves Editor...Lightroom doesn't. Lightroom has a powerful capability to control output size and resolution which Camera Raw doesn't have...
Bottom line is they are two horses of a different color but each is capable of performing the same tricks...so use whichever app allows you o accomplish what you need to do in the shortest and easiest process...

Two questions about Camera Raw and Lightroom

I am now shooting in RAW image format only and cataloging those images into Lightroom.
My first question is: How do I open an image in Camera Raw from Lightroom? When I right click on an image in Lightroom it gives me a choice to edit in > Photoshop, but does not offer the choice of editing in Camera Raw. In fact, when I go outside of Lightroom and just double-click on one of those RAW images, it opens in Photoshop. What is going on? Before I installed Lightroom, double-clicking on a RAW file would cause it to open in Camera RAW.
My second question is: Lightroom seems to have all of the same controls over processing a RAW image as the Camera Raw plug-in does. Does that mean I no longer need to open images in Camera Raw? Should I just do all of my adjustments inside of Lightroom? I take it that the sidecar xmp file is the same whether modified in Lightroom or in Camera Raw.
Pleas set me straight on this.
Thank You,
Ken

Your second question:
My second question is: Lightroom seems to have all of the same controls over processing a RAW image as the Camera Raw plug-in does.
Answers your first. Lightroom and ACR share code, so the rendering you get from Lightroom with the same settings is exactly the same as in ACR. What happens is that when you say "edit in Photoshop", ACR gets called by Lightroom and the Develop settings get passed along. ACR then renders the RAW with those settings and opens it in Photoshop. So, because you already have a working interface to the settings, there is no point in showing them to you again.
Does that mean I no longer need to open images in Camera Raw? Should I just do all of my adjustments inside of Lightroom?
That depends on your workflow. I no longer open any images in ACR directly as Lightroom provides a more effective interface in my opinion. Other people I'm sure prefer the Bridge/ACR approach.
I take it that the sidecar xmp file is the same whether modified in Lightroom or in Camera Raw.
Lightroom does not modify the sidecars by default. All edits are stored in the database. This allows you to have virtual copies with different Develop settings and more tricks like that. You can have Lightroom write out xmp sidecars by choosing "save metadata to file" from the metadata menu in Library or by turning on automatic xmp file generation in preferences. There is usually no real point to doing that however as the "edit in Photoshop" route works just fine. It's only really useful when you have a mixed workflow that still uses Bridge. If you share images with others, you're better off exporting dngs, or exporting subsets of images as catalogs with the images included.

Lightroom will not import my photos. It did up to a week ago. I have changed cards and cameras (both worked two weeks ago). I can import the photos to Picasa and iPhoto

Lightroom will not import my photos. It did up to a week ago. I have changed cards and cameras (both worked two weeks ago). I can import the photos to Picasa and iPhoto. I get the following error message:
Some import operations were not performed.
The following files were not imported because they could not be read [followed by a list of the files I wanted to import]
Thumbnails show up. LR just will not import them.
Any idea what is going wrong?

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Pls help. My Camera Raw, CS6 and Lightroom won't read the NEF files from D610.

I recently upgraded to Nikon D610 and the NEF files were not readable from my old version of Camera Raw, CS6 and Lightroom. So downloaded the recommended upgrades and I now have Camera Raw 8.4.0.199; Lightroom 5.3; CS6 13.01. But still did not read my D610 NEF's. Please help. Thanks.

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Hi there, I need to be able to read raw files from an Olympus Stylus 1 via CS5 and Lightroom 4. I have downloaded Raw file plug-in v 6.7.1 but still can't read the files.

Hi there, I need to be able to read raw files from an Olympus Stylus 1 via CS5 and Lightroom 4. I have downloaded Raw file plug-in v 6.7.1 but still can't read the files?

Read this table http://helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html
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It is not compatible with CS5 or older and never will be.
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Hi, I can't open my RAW files from my Canon 1000D in Photoshop and Lightroom cc (trial version) Also the DNG converter doesn't recognize the CR2 files. When I check the list with supported camera's the 1000D is there so it should be working. Anyone knows how to fix this? Thanks!

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How do I install the RC updates to my PS CC, camera raw and Lightroom?

How do I install the RC updates to my PS CC, camera raw and Lightroom? I have downloaded the correct versions from the Lab site but I still can't open my Nikon D-610 RAW files. The site says follow on screen instructions but I have not found any. Help please.

Please ensure that for CC you have downloaded ACR 8.3 - CC:
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw8-3-cc.html
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Regards,
Ashutosh

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I have just bought my wife Canon SX60 and loaded pictures into Bridge and saw that Camera Raw does not recognize Canon SX60 CR2s. I checked the supported cameras and saw SX60 is not in the list. I will be purchasing a Canon 7D Mark II on Tuesday and see that it is also not supported. I saw in a forum post that the 7D is not in the current Camera 8.7 but will be part of the Camera Raw 8.7 "production release". I currently have Photoshop CC, Photoshop CS6 and Lightroom 5 will both cameras be supported in the next "production version" of Camera Raw and Lightroom 5 and when is it scheduled for release (I saw some thoughts that it would be by the end of year but was hopefully we can get a more definitive date).
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It has been indicated that both of those cameras will be supported in the final release of Camera Raw 8.7. But there is no announced release date. There never is. I assume it will be before December 31. But that is only my guess based on the fact that the release candidate expires then.

Camera Raw 6.0 (and Lightroom 3) extra slow, what's happening ?

Hi,
I'm having a very annoying issue with both CR 6.0 and LR 3 which is a very slow responsiveness in the photo previews.
A month ago, I was using Windows XP SP3 32bit on my machine (Intel Core Duo Q6600 (4x2.57Ghz cores) - 4Gb RAM). I had Photoshop CS4 with Camera Raw 5.x and Lightroom 2. Everything was very smooth.
Then, I moved to Windows Seven 64bit and CS5 with CR 6 and LR 3.
Now, I have exacly the same issue I had before bying my current 4 core PC, which is :
in Camera Raw, even scrolling the left thumbnails part is extremely slow (rendeing of image thumbnails), and appying the slightest change of a slider (even basic ones) takes about a second and sometimes two seconds to be applied to the image preview. Quite painful to use !
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Do you have any suggestions as to what I could do to fix this ?
Thanks !

Istrasoft wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what was so awfully penalizing reponsiveness in ACR 6.0 ?
And, does Lightroom use the same internal 8bi plugin file to do the processing or do I have tu update Lightroom separately to get the responsiveness back ?
I don't know what they did, but I assume they rewrote some of the code which deals with some of the new process calculations and previewing, to be more processor-efficient.
Lightroom doesn't use the plug-in, as far as I know. I'd guess that would need a separate update. I haven't got it. You could tell us if it's any faster.

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With the Photoshop and Lightroom bundle, does Bridge and Camera Raw come with it?

With the Photoshop and Lightroom bundle, does Bridge and Camera Raw come with it?

Hi,
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regards,
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