Re-installing 10.3.9 after installing Tiger

Hello, I have a problem with an OS X 10.3.x re-install. Let me explain what I have done. My Cube was running fine on OS X 10.3.9, networked with an old Mac OS 8.5 that we need for certain OS Classic tasks, which I also ran on my Cube. I believed I needed to upgrade to OS X Tiger 10.4, so I installed that (turns out I didn't). After that I got a dialog that the 8.5 was not recognizable on the network. Plus, the printer which is essential for Classic apps, an HP Deskjet 1220C, was no longer recognizable or useable.
This setup is absolutely essential for our office function, so I decided to re-install OS X 10.3.x over Tiger. That may be where my problem lies. I ran an Archive and Install, which put the new Tiger into a folder titled "Previous System."
The re-install was successful enough that the old 8.5 and the Deskjet were networked again, but my newer printer, HP Officejet 6210 All-in-One was not recognized. When I tried to access the System Preferences, and the Printer Setup Utility, neither would open, or would open and immediately close again. I proceeded with "Software Updates" which updated my OS X to 10.3.9, as before. I uninstalled the HP 6210 and re-installed it. Still nothing.
So I downloaded Resolving Disk, Permission, and Cache Corruption, and did everything according to instructions except cache cleaning (verified and repaired disk, verified and repaired disk permissions). Now I can open my System Preferences, but still not the Printer Setup Utility or System Profiler--they try to open but crash.
I have not been working on anything else for several days. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
Nancy

djcarpediem, Sorry I've been AWOL for awhile. I considered erasing everything and re-installing Panther (10.3.9) from scratch, but then got concerned about my former OS 9 installation: Would that work after just dragging a saved copy over onto the hard drive? I doubt it. The only thing I've lost is the newer printer (to my knowledge). So I decided to keep my system the way it is. It is now a re-installed 10.3.9 over the Tiger. My System Profiler still don't work, nor does the printer setup utility, but everything else is still working.
I agree, Apple should provide an OS Uninstall, to step back to previous OS. Tiger and Panther are quite compatible, obviously, since I have not lost any files or functionality except for the printer setup. You are lucky your System prefs came back after Disk Utility Repair, mine didn't. I'll let you know if I lose anything else, but for now I'm keeping everything as is, with fingers crossed.

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The conversion from Mail 1.x to Mail 2.x is broken. Take a look at the following thread to better understand the problem:
Help! "You need to take this account online in order to download it."
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1. Quit Mail if it’s running.
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3. Create a new folder on the Desktop and name it however you wish (e.g. Inbox Old). It doesn’t need to have an .mbox extension.
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7. Move everything else within INBOX.mbox, except the Messages folder, to the Trash.
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I assume that to reinstall Tiger you did an Erase and Install. If so then you lost everything unless you have backups. If you don't have backups, then you should plan for them in the future to avoid this happening again.
Basic Backup
Get an external Firewire drive at least equal in size to the internal hard drive and make (and maintain) a bootable clone/backup. You can make a bootable clone using the Restore option of Disk Utility. You can also make and maintain clones with good backup software. My personal recommendations are (order is not significant):
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2. Synchronize! Pro X (Commercial)
3. Synk (Backup, Standard, or Pro)
4. Deja Vu (Shareware)
5. Carbon Copy Cloner (Donationware)
6. SuperDuper! (Commercial)
7. Intego Personal Backup (Commercial)
8. Data Backup (Commercial)
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1. Backup (requires a .Mac account with Apple both to get the software and to use it.)
2. Toast
3. Impression
4. arRSync
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Impression and Toast are disk image based backups, only. Particularly useful if you need to backup to CD/DVD across multiple media.
Visit The XLab FAQs and read the FAQs on maintenance, optimization, virus protection, and backup and restore. Also read How to Back Up and Restore Your Files.
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OWC
WiebeTech
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California Drives
NewEgg
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*Used Onyx to do verify Volume. Volume fine.
[Bare with me;)]
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*Decided to Erase & Install again. Done, but now I'm stuck in the Welcome to Tiger loop: Welcome Tiger animation which crashes halfway through, then takes me to settings for language, location, Mac sign in...loops back again to Welcome.
I am a complete dummy when it comes to computers, so have tried to follow instructions/advice to the T. I don't have a clue what is going on. Please anyone out there, help!

Best to ask about hardware questions on the appropriate hardware forum. That said...
Unless for some reason you want to keep hold of an old computer for specific features not present in a newer computer it is almost always cheaper to buy a newer used computer rather than upgrade hardware in an old one. Since you're talking upgrading multiple features that is almost certain.
A consideration: Snow Leopard is now out. This is pushing pre-Intel Macs towards into obsolescence. I already see a number of software vendors who say they do not support Tiger any more. Some may soon start saying they no longer support pre-Intel Macs. Although I find my G4 and Tiger to still be perfectly usable, if my G4 were to die today and I was interested in a used computer I might seriously look at a used Intel Mac. There's a bit of a jump at the PPC + Tiger to Intel + Leopard-plus boundary and it will become more noticeable soon. If you can afford it I would suggest not being more than one big generation behind in terms of software and hardware, and in this case maybe not even one major generation in terms of hardware. To summarize, if it were me I would be looking for a used early Intel Mac running Leopard currently so I could ensure there still being support for the next few years.
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Cannot Install OS 9 After Installing Tiger ???

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Hi, Michael -
What version is the OS 9 Install CD? Is it a retail
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It's the retail version (white label, gold 9), one that I've had through my last 3 or 4 machines.
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OK Paul,
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Hello,
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1: If near a Apple Store or Authorized Repair, take it to then for a free evaluation, it might have other hardware problems now that it would be a waste of effort even continuing.
2: The RAM needs to be
Maximum Memory
3.0 GB (Actual) 2.0 GB (Apple)
Memory Slots
2 - 200-pin PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 SO-DIMM
Basically what this means is you can put in a 2GB module and a 1GB module for 3GB total.
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3: This User Tip can assist in installing 10.6 Snow Leopard, partition format etc.
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4: If not successful then the drive also likely needs to be replaced, if so choose a 7,200 RPM SATA I w/1.5Gb/s connection.
Install/upgrade RAM or storage drive in Mac's
Repeat #3
If your getting beeping noises or "you need to restart" issues, it's likely one or more of the RAM modules is bad. Have it exchanged or swapped.
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Install Tiger 10.4 on a Pismo

I've read a few posts here about problems installing Tiger on a Pismo, which fails and ends up with kernel panics. I've had a few problems like this in the past.
What I've found in my experience is that most of the trouble stems from having more than 512MB of memory installed. From what I've read online, the problem here is that 512MB modules weren't available when the Pismo came out, which means that only 2 x 256MB was the maximum memory. Installing more than 512MB seems to cause problems or conflicts when installing 10.4.
This may not be the case for everyone, but I've seen this problem on 5 different Pismos over the years. So what I've done on my own Pismo and on a few friends' Pismos is that, when you want to install Tiger 10.4, be sure to have no more than 512MB installed; please note that a single 512MB module works fine. You can then install Tiger and, after you're up and running okay, you can then re-install the 512MB module. This way, I know of 5 Pismos running 10.4.11 with 1GB of memory (2 x 512MB) and they work great.
Still love the old Pismo, great for writing and the web on the go (with internal Airport or Airport Extreme-compatible PCMCIA card), great for watching DVDs, really rugged, great keyboard, and you probably don't have to worry as much about someone stealing it, as you would with a Macbook Air.

Yes, it's a bit strange. I think I remember reading this somewhere on the web years ago, and when I and a few others had the aforementioned problem - i.e., attempt to install Tiger ended up with a failed install and kernel panics - I remembered the solution about having only 512MB installed, which did indeed work. On no less than 5 different Pismos over the years.
I mentioned this only because I read another thread here about someone having similar problems, but the thread had been closed, so I started a new one, in the hope it might help others.
The interesting thing is that, once Tiger installs okay, you can reinstall the second RAM module and not have any problems. I went up to 1GB of RAM and have updated Tiger to 10.4.11, which runs very well on the G3/500 Pismo. I installed a faster HD with 7200 rpm and it all runs pretty quick. Other upgrades include a DVD burner and a PCMCIA card that is recognized by the OS as an Airport Extreme card, so needs no 3rd party drivers (the card is a Motorola WN 825G). Also have a Belkin USB Bluetooth key, which is recognized by the OS as an Apple Bluetooth card, but I don't use it much.
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Can't install Tiger on Yikes - kind of weird

I've had people trying to help me with this over at macosx.com, and so far no luck. Maybe you guys can figure this one out.
I have a Yikes G4, 512MB RAM, 40GB hardrive, DVD-ROM, right now running OS 9.2.2. I've run everything from OS 8.6 through 10.2.8 on this computer. I'm trying to install Tiger, but I'm having a problem.
When I put the Tiger disk in, I get the "resart to install" dialog box. I hit the restart button, the computer restarts, gives the normal chime, then nothing. Black screen, I can see it access the DVD drive for a few seconds, then it just sits there. The computer is on, it doesn't shut down, but it never gets to the point where the moniter comes on.
If I restart and hold the C key, same thng happens, black screen. The computer will not finish booting unless I restart and get the Tiger DVD out of the drive before the computer looks for it. Then it boots from the hard drive normally. Can't hold Option key for Startup Manager, not supported on the Yikes. Can't use Startup Disk Control panel to choose Tiger, same thing happens, black screen. Can't use Target Disk Mode, not supported on Yikes.
The DVD drive is a stock Apple DVD-ROM originally out of a Sawtooth model. The Yikes will boot from an OS 9 CD, and just for the heck of it, I tried my Jaguar grey system specific DVD from my TiBook, and it boots with that DVD no problem, too. It PLAYS the Tiger DVD no problem, just will not boot from it.
Here's what I've tried so far, not necessarily in this order:
1. Reset PMU.
2. Reset PRAM.
3. Removed Apple factory stock Adaptec 2930 SCSI card.
4. Removed 3rd party RAM, stole Apple stock 256MB stick out of Sawtooth to bring it back up to 512MB.
5. Checked for firmware updates, Yikes doesn't need one.
6. Unplugged ethernet.
7. Unplugged everything but moniter, keyboard, mouse.
8. Checked hard drive with Disk Utility from OS 9 and Jaguar disks, drive appears okay.
I tried different DVDs in different computers to make sure they do work. Yikes will boot from Jaguar DVD and OS 9 CD, so it is a bootable drive. Tiger DVD will boot (and install, family pack) from DVD both the TiBook and the Sawtooth, so my Tiger disk seems fine. It is the retail (universal) black Tiger DVD.
I can't find this specific problem in the knowledge base or searching the forums. And I seem to have stumped the folks over at macosx.com. Anybody have any ideas that I haven't tried yet?
TiBook 1Ghz, 1GB RAM Matshita UJ-845S 8x Dual Layer; Sawtooth w/1.2 GHz owc upgrade, Yikes, etc. Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Hi TMM,
The Tiger DVD is the black boxed retail universal version. It's not a grey system-specific version. (However, the Yikes will boot from a grey system-specific DVD for my TiBook. Go figure).
I knew for OS X I didn't need a firmware upgrade, but someone suggested that maybe there could be an older upgrade (this computer came with OS 8.6). I didn't find anything like that.
This Mac meets all the requirements for Tiger. All external devices and ethernet have been disconnected. Removed all third party RAMI just . I even removed the stock PCI SCSI card factory installed by Apple. Everything else is stock. No other cards, no processor upgrades. (However, I have a heavily modded Sawtooth that boots to this Tiger DVD no problem. Three hard drives, one of them running from an ATA PCI card, 5 port USB PCI card, 16x Dual Layer DVD burner, and OWC 1.3GHz processor upgrade...go figure again.)
I just ran out yesterday and got a new battery to see if that would help. Reset PMU and PRAM again after it was installed, no difference.
I'm pretty familiar with the installation instructions, but I've gone back over them just in case. There's no mention of anything like this. Like I said before, this seems to have stumped the folks over at macosx.com, too. I'm beginning to think there's some weird little quirk in this particular machine.
Thanks for trying, though!
TiBook 1Ghz, 1GB RAM Matshita UJ-845S 8x Dual Layer; Sawtooth w/1.2 GHz owc upgrade, Yikes, etc. Mac OS X (10.2.x)
TiBook 1Ghz, 1GB RAM Matshita UJ-845S 8x Dual Layer; Sawtooth w/1.2 GHz owc upgrade, Yikes, etc. Mac OS X (10.2.x)

Installing tiger on an ibook w/o dvd, but using target disc mode?

so here is the problem. i bought tiger for my ibook (g3 500mhz 312 mb airport cd drive...) so i found out the hard way that i can not install tiger dvd on my ibook (it has a cd drive.) so i was thinking and booted it up in target disc mode on my g4 tower running 10.2.8 the hard drive came up on the g4 and i installed sucessfully tiger on to the ibook! i was really excited that it worked. (i really didn;t want to order the cd set from apple)
so i went to start and download updates and it didn't connect. so i went to configure the airport and had a ton of problems. it just won't! airport will not recgonize any networks, and i have done it all to configure it. the ibook sees the card too!
so i took the card out of the ibook and installe dit in tehg4 tower and bravo it works just fine, so the problem is not the card at all.
i then took the ibiik to firsttech (an apple store) and they booted it up in network mode and the card worked just fine! they think that because i installed tiger fro a computer that was not running an airport network that it did not install that part of the software. this i do not believe becaust all of the airport stuff is there to configure, the problem is it just won't.
so to make things more interesting the screen will freeze. and after that when i reboot the ibook the screen is dead. and it stays dead for a while so this is just a pain. i try to reboot it in target disc mode but the icon does not show up on the host computer. i can run system profiler and the g4 will see the ibook as a firewire device in target disc mode, but i just can't see it on the desktop. i can hear the hard drive running, and i get the chime so i know it is on.
so i know that the problem is probably tiger as i know that there have some problems with it. but i just don't get it. b4 i reinstall 10.2 can anyone give me any help fixing tiger?
THANKS!
SEAN
g4 tower Mac OS X (10.4.8) ibook! g3 too
g4 tower Mac OS X (10.4.8) ibook! g3 too

Hi sean,
first of all: WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSIONS!
You probably did the target-disk install the wrong way round. If you booted the G4 from the install DVD and from there installed Tiger to the G3 iBook you have installed the G4 hardware drivers which are not compatible with the iBook.
You have to do it this way:
Insert the install DVD into the G4. Start the G4 into target disk mode by holding down the t-key during boot. Connect the G4 to the iBook using a firewire cable. Now boot the iBook while holding down the option-key. This will bring you into the boot manager where you can select the install DVD as boot-volume.
Once the installer has started perform an Archive&Install to the iBook hard disk. This should solve your problem.
Remember: Repair permissions before and after an update!
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To install Tiger, some Macs need internal DVD drive, or CD version of Tiger

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Some Macs while they have Firewire, don't support Target Disk Mode, nor Firewire booting. These Macs if they came with no DVD drive, and only a CD drive or CD-RW drive (as opposed to combo or superdrive), can only install Tiger (Mac OS X 10.4) if you:
1. Install a compatible internal DVD drive from which supports http://www.patchburn.de/ or other firmware that supports Mac OS X booting.
2. Find the original retail CD version of Mac OS X 10.4 that was available for a limited time called the Media Exchange Program CD.
These Macs include the Blue and White G3 desktop (non-iMac), and the PCI PowerMac G4 described below:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58418
The iMac G3 with built-in Firewire, iBook G3 with built-in Firewire, and AGP PowerMac G4 with built-in Firewire at least support Firewire booting and Target Disk Mode which would allow them to use an external optical DVD drive that supports Mac OS X booting.
If they didn't have an internal DVD drive.
Port #4 in this image below is a Firewire port:
Notes: Macs released on or after April 26, 2005 need to install Tiger from the discs that came with them, or a newer retail release except Intel Macs. Retail release of Tiger is a black disc with a white X logo and does not say Upgrade or Update.
Intel Macs could only install Tiger from the discs that came with them.
Macs released on or after October 26, 2007 can't install Tiger.
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What happens if the firmware isn't updated?
The display may stop working, even for OS 9. It is not easy to fix.
I just installed 10.2 on one of them and it seems to be working. Should I uninstall it and upgrade the firmware and start over?
Check the "Boot ROM version" with System profiler. If the firmware is updated it will be 4.1.9
It is not necessary to remove OSX to install the updates if OS 9 is still on the hard drive. If not, and the OS 9 drivers are there, OS 9 can be installed without affecting OSX.
The update won't install if it is not needed.

Can I install Tiger without DVD drive?

Hello all!
I need your advice and help!
Today I finally added more RAM to my iMac and proceeded to upgrade to OSX. I bought v10.4.3 Tiger at a retail location. Nothing happens after I inserted the installation DVD. Then I realised that I probably do not have a DVD drive! (I did look at the system requirement page and saw a slot loading iMac there ...)
Is there any way I could install Tiger? All your help is much appreciated!
kris

First, have you installed the firmware update required for your model? You must boot directly into OS 9.1 or higher (but not OS X) to install the firmware update.
Secondly, your hard drive must be formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled) for Tiger.
If you open your Apple System Profiler it should tell you if you have a DVD drive. It was an option on your model, especially if you have the DV model.
If you don't have a DVD drive, then there are ways to install Tiger without one. One way is to exchange the DVD for a CD set from Apple. Visit the Apple OS X site to find the form needed for the exchange.
The following KB articles present alternatives for installing Tiger without a DVD:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6976
http://www.applelinks.com/p5/index.php/more/osx_odyssey_752_how_to_installing_tiger_using_firewire_target_diskmode/
You can also use an external Firewire DVD drive provided it is a bootable drive.

Can I install Tiger on my iMac slot loader running OS 8.6?

I'm keen to upgrade my iMac DV bondi blue slotloader running OS 8.6 to Tiger so I can take advantage of wireless networking. Do I need, say, OS 9 first? or can I just go to Tiger directly.
Also - does anyone have experience of putting a new OS on an old machine - is it actually worth it or am I asking for trouble?

Hi Macnabbs,
yes, you can install Tiger on your computer. However, you will have to upgrade to at least 9.1 (better 9.2.1: ) before that, then upgrade your firmware and install at least 256 MB RAM (better: 512 MB). Also make sure you have at least 5 GB of free hard disk space! MacOS X needs a minimum of 1.5 GB of free hard disk space at all times in order to run properly.
The short version goes like this:
0. Confirm your Mac meets the minimum hardware requirements: Built-In firewire, 256 MB RAM (512 MB recommended), 5 GB free hard disk space (System Requirements)
1. Update to 9.2.x: Mac OS 9: Available Updates
2. Upgrade your firmware: Mac OS X: Chart of Available Firmware Updates
3. Download the Mac OS X Update 10.4.5 Combo update: Mac OS X Update 10.4.5 Combo
4. Unplug all peripherals but the original Apple keyboard and mouse.
5. Install Tiger
6. Repair permissions before and after an update!
7. Apply the 10.4.5 Update
8. Repair permissions before and after an update!
9. Run software update from the Apple menu.
10. Repair permissions!
Keep the order!
If you cannot select your hard disk as a destination volume and your computer is quite old this article might help:
Mac OS X: Disk Appears Dimmed (or "Grayed Out") in the Installer
Good luck!

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