Re: Internal Order & Project system

Dear All,
Please can one give brief explanation of internal Order and Project system.
1) What is the major difference Internal Order and Project system.
why some companies use Internal Order
why some coompanies use Project system.
Thanks in advace
Venkat.

Dear Venkat,
Internal Order is Sub-module of controlling whereas Project System is entire module in SAP.
Internal Order will provide information related to cost posted to the order, budget, commitments etc. And in Project system module you can create various projects to analyze company's profitability.
Substitution between Internal Order and Project system is highly depends upon the size of the Project. Many companies may be using internal order instead of Project in order to trap the cost.
Project system will provide every minute information pertaining to the project. Whereas internal order will not be able dole out.
Companies in Real Estate can not substitute Internal Order with that of Project system. Project System module is both heart and brain for Real Estate industry. And companies in other Industries having small value and size of project can use internal order instead of Project system.
To conclude, Internal Order is narrow concept where Project System is an Ocean
Regards,
Chintan Joshi.

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Why we using PS to manage a project if we can manage a project with the help of internal orders also,please explain all the differences in detail.
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Muzamil

Hi Muzamil,
I am not giving you any direct answers for this query, you can follow the link below for the differences as it elaborates in details.
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/a9/ab7376414111d182b10000e829fbfe/frameset.htm
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_47x200/helpdata/en/04/926eae46f311d189470000e829fbbd/frameset.htm
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Suresh

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With manual selection the system lists all the valid task lists that exist for the material at the time of copying and that should be selected according to the selection ID. You can select the required routing from this list.
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I'm entering a purchase order of an asset tied to an internal order of investment. The order has a budget X. If I enter a purchase order with value greater than the amount budgeted in the internal order, the system allows me to create the request and not imposed the internal order. In the report S_ALR_87013019, the order has no value released.
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+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Purchasing: Version : 12.0.0
Copyright (c) 1979, 1999, Oracle Corporation. All rights reserved.
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+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
+-----------------------------
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+-----------------------------
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+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Error message display for PO creation with reference to internal orders

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When I create internal orders, the system is generating number with a gap of 20. The last number used is ***81. I want to clear the buffer (transaction SNRO- Object - AUFTRAG?). I would like to get next number generated should be ***61. I can delete ***81 order if necessary.
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本来还想写中文，实在太慢了，改英语了，希望大家不要介意啊。
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The order has been settled and when we try to close this in KO02 we are getting the following error.
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regards
prasad

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