Re: Rational Rose product and Forte

We use Forte 3.0 with Rational Rose 4.0 since more than one year on a
medium size project (10 developers). I have not tried Rose98 with Forte,
so what I have to say may or may not apply to Rose98.
In general I am very satisfied with the Forte support of Rose. The code
generation facilities are sophisticated. For example from one attribute
in Rose you can generate a virtual attribute and the corresponding get
and set methods which implement the virtual attribute. You can even
change the naming conventions (how to generate the name of get and set
methods). You can also model all components of a Forte application like
interfaces, events, eventhandlers, constants, domain types etc.
Since access to the Forte repository is difficult, Rose does not read
from or write to the repository. Instead you must export a plan as a
.pex file, regenerate the plan from Rose and reimport the generated file
into Forte. Rose correctly preserves the code that you have written as
well as other information like GUI layout etc. Nevertheless this process
is a bit tedious and prone to errors.
Rose can import a Forte .pex and produce a model from it ("reverse
engineering"). This works O.K. but I use it only on small prototypes
that I developed in Forte to get a "first cut" of a model. The analyzer
has only a few global options (for example whether you want to model
object-valued attributes as associations or as attributes). In addition
it names all attribute types and method parameters with fully qualified
class names so that your methods tend to have very long signatures like
Add(input source:Framework.IntegerData):Framework.IntegerData
instead of
Add(source:IntegerData):IntegerData
On the other hand Rose generates correct Forte code if you use the short
form in your model. So I use Rose mainly for forward generation.
I find the combination of Rose with Forte very valuable, mostly because
Forte does not allow a convenient documentation of plans, classes and
attributes.
If you have additional questions, I will be happy to answer them.
Robinson, Richard wrote:
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Has anyone used Rational Rose products and Forte? Could you post a short
summary that explains how easy/hard it is to work with and whether or not
the reverse engineering features work well?
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I'm having the same problem. The last version of Forte known to work with Rose is Forte 3.0, but I can't find that version for download.
Let me know if you've found any other solution.
Adam Southall

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    to all other similar tables only. For example, some of the tables could be
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