Re-Sizing from 8.5x11 Facing Pages

I'm currently working on converting a magazine designed on 8.5x11in facing pages. Right now our only option seems to be starting from scratch in 1024x768 and moving around and individaully resizing all page elements. At this stage ideally we would automatically resize the issue and add gray bars on the top and bottom to make up for the aspect ratio issue. Has anyone experienced a similar issue? Any recommendations on the most efficent workflow?

I looked at your magazine, and you're right, the size and placement of all elements does lend itself to be scaled and perhaps just typographically adapted a little. You can use any page size as long as it has the aspect ratio of the iPad (3:4). There's no need to start with the exact pixel format of the iPad, although it is an obvious choice when you start a whole new publication.
A colleague of mine once tried to build a work-around with the "Layout Adjustment" command. By using lots of (magnetic) guides, the layout adapted itself to the slightly widened aspect ratio (from 22 x 30 cm to 22,5 x 30 cm). It worked quite well :-) Of course it was still necessary to tweak some elements and typography, but the vast majority of pages come out quite nicely.
And then there might be "Liquid Layout" later on, in CS6...

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Print job best setup - inside edge bleed from facing pages?

I'm putting together a 32pp A4 report with InDesign CS3 that will be printed from PDF in China. I'm UK-based and I will be passing the file to the printers electronically. I speak no Chinese, yet my client has an office in China and one of their staff (non-graphics expert) will be the middle man.
At the moment I'm setting up my document with facing pages and 5mm bleed. I recall from a recent UK print job using the same document setup that when I output to PDF with Use Document Bleed Settings ticked, the print bureau complained that images which filled one side of A4 and bled off outside/top/bottom of the page did not bleed off the inside. I asked them how to give them what they needed and they said the facing spreads needed to be 'separated into single pages' before I made the PDF - this would enable bleed on all 4 sides. I didn't know how to do that and maintain facing pages to allow me to design on a spread-by-spread basis, so I asked them. They couldn't tell me, so I left it as it was. In the end they had to trim the pages slightly more on the inside to get rid of any white paper.
I'm very keen to avoid any problems at all with this print job, so I want to get the setup and process right in my head from the start.
So my question: how can I set this document up to minimise problems for the printer? I don't mind if that involves another process before exporting, I just don't know what that might be.
Many thanks.

The way you have it setup is the correct way for Perfect Binding.
The image that appears on the right hand page in the picture posted, that area actually goes into the spine area - look at any book that has a spine and see how deep the pages go into the spine.
You will also notice that the image on the right hand page does not go past the crop mark - so in reality it's actually cropped off the page altogether, so there's no need to worry about it.
What you have is perfect - for perfect binding (or saddle stitching)
Don't worry about the script posted earlier - that is for a different type of binding.
Sidenote
When you make a PDF for printing make sure you offset your Crop Marks further than your bleed
Bellow I've used points and pica (but you can use 5mm bleed and offset by 6mm)
Reason:
Crop marks
are needed to trim the page to size when printed. As printers can't
print right to edge of a sheet, and that it's near impossible to trim a
sheet of paper right to the edge of a colour - the colour needs to
extend past the crop line, this is called
bleed.
When you bleed the document, i.e., extend any item that is tucked right
against the foredge (the edges opposite the spine), then you need to
extend this object off the page into a "bleed" area.
This allows for human error when trimming the paper, as each sheet is
not trimmed individually (that would take forever!) they are stacked on
top of each other and trimmed in stacks. It would be impossible to stack
all the sheets exactly even, and there is movement on the press, so
compensating for the movement and the fact they can never be stacked
exactly even - for this reason you need objects to extend past the edge
of the page.
The crop marks
tell the guillotine operator where to trim the sheet. Once they have
the measurements in their guillotine machine it's a simple matter of
rinse and repeat with as many stacks of paper there are.
And printers can sometimes fold and trim a print job folding machine,
and since it's a machine and you have to account for mechanical errors
and human error, you need bleed too.
Bleed is important - If you don't add bleed then the object stops at the
foredge of the paper. And if the blade trims/crops close to the object
but misses by a sliver - then you have a sliver of white on the printed
piece, which is highly undesirable.
So you need crop marks
so the printers know where exactly to cut the paper, and to cut into
the bleed so that you don't have slivers of white.
And yes you need crop marks even if you don't have bleed, if you
don't have any bleed it's likely that the edges of the paper are just
white, so there are no markings where to cut to give the correct size
that you want. So crop marks need to be included no matter what.
And the placement of crop marks is important. As I said earlier, crop marks are
for letting the guillotine operator know where to trim the page so that
it cuts into the bleed area. The bleed area to allow for mechanical,
physical and human error. And seen as the bleed can sometimes be
included in a final printed piece it is not desirable to have anything
other than bleed objects in the bleed area.
For this reason you offset your crop marks to be outside the bleed area. As I'm in
Europe I work mainly in millimeters, so I would set my Bleed Area to be 5
mm and I would set my crop marks to Offset by 6mm.
This ensures that the crop marks do not encroach the bleed area. If your crop marks do
encroach the bleed area you run the risk of the crop
marks appearing on a final printed
piece.
So in Summary
Make sure you have bleed where necessary on your document.
Add the desired amount of bleed - in my case 5mm.
Offset the crop marks
so they don't encroach the bleed area - in my case 6mm.

Question regarding bleeding and facing pages.

Hello,
i'm in trouble with my first InDesign document which is a 96 pages Magazine. It will be printed on A3 sheets stapled in the middle. My printing guy said that it's ok as A4 pages with 3mm bleed.
So now when i'm trying to export as a printed pdf (i check mark that i want to use the documents bleeding settings) it exports with sections from left and right depending on the pages (the left page exports with ?? i guess 3 mm ?? bleed from the right page and so on). If i override the bleeding settings and i set it to 0mm it all ok but i fear that some pictures or text might get cut off since i have all planned with the bleed markers in indesign.
And i can't uncheck the facing pages since i have some graphics (charts and so on) that spread from one page to another (on same spread).
My question is ... is there anything i can do and still use bleeds or (ignore "inside bleeds" or something) or is it ok to use the export as spreadsheet instead of individual pages since he wanted A4 pages?
Any help for a newbie would be appreciated. Thank you.

You should ask the printers to use PUR (polyurethane reactive) Bind when making a perfect bound book - that's a much stronger glue than EVA. It won't even break apart or fall apart going from freezing cold (out in the car over night) to being warmed up, which happens with EVA binding. But the PUR bind seems to be a lot more popular and stronger.
Failing that, getting the book threadsewn also helps to keep pages together. If you have a large print run and need these to last, then I suggest perfect binding them with a threadsewn finish.
I've definitely seen and done 96pp saddle stitched (well personally I have imposed, printed and delivered these). You might have to sacrafice a drop in weight on the body text. It can get ugly, but it's definitely doable.
My suggestion here would be to ask the printers for a similiar 96pp saddle stitch sample that they've done before, to make sure you're happy with it.
In fact, you can ask them to send you out a dummy (a blank version of the book trimmed and folded) to make sure you're happy with it.
It really is disppointing to get a printed job back from the printers and you discover you are not happy with the binding method.

How to print from top of the page?

Hi all,
This is Narendra.
I am facing following problem in report.
My report contains 4 groups in datamodal.
All groups have same parameters.
In report out put when second group goes to second page it is printed
from middle of the second page,insted of printing from top of the page.
What should i do to print from top of the page.
Plz suggest me a solution.
Regards,
Narendra.
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Hello,
Most of the times, these problem are solved by "enclosing" the "Repeating frames" in frames with "Vertical Eleasticity" set to "Variable"
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Stale Data error when invoking seeded OAF from a custom OAF page

Hi All,
We have a requirement in OAF where we have to open a Seeded OAF Page (Install Base) from our Custom Page. We are using the javascript function “openWindow()” to open the page in a new window. When we close the seeded page by clicking seeded page window using the Window-close button and then perform any event on the custom page, we get the Stale Data error as given below.
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Cause:
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Here is the part of code we have tried.
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bodyBean.setOnLoad(testDest);
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If anyone has come across such a issue and have a resolution, please let me know. Any pointers would be of great help.
Thanks,
Mrugesh

Hi,
We had tried passing RetainAM = Y and then bouncing apache. Still we were getting the same error.
We are not facing the STALE DATA issue when we invoke JSP page and oracle forms. It is only when we launch a seeded OAF page from our custom OAF page that we are getting this error.
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Indesign crashing when I try to change document set up to facing pages

I am working in a 14 page file with 2 different master pages. The file opens like normal and I am able to edit etc. If I try to change the document to be facing pages the document crashes. Does anyone know why this is? I have already tried to copy the pages into a new document and save with a new name. I have tried to unlock everything from the masters and delete the master template. No luck. The IT department at my work wasnt able to figure it out so I am hoping someone can help me here. Thank you in advance.

It sounds to me like a font issue. If it's only affecting one document, then fonts would be the first place to start. Save a copy of the document and work from there as a test. First, in the Type/Find Font panel, select the fonts in the top part of the window (one at a time) and in the Replace with... pull-down, choose a generic font which you know works; click on Replace All. Repeat this for each font, effectively changing all fonts in the document to one font. Then save, close, and open the document again. Try repeating the crash and if it doesn't happen, then you know you've isolated a font issue. At that point, you can start adding fonts one at a time until you hit the one which causes the crash. Make a note of it, and either disable it or remove it. If it's a font issue, chances are that other documents which use it will start to crash, as well. If you're using Character and Paragraph Styles, this is easier, as you simply edit the styles to change the fonts in each style with the generic one. Hope this helps.
Cheers!
-Mikey

In MAC, I want to change document size from 8.5X11 to 18X24 to create a poster to print through Staples. I created the doc originally in WORD, changed the size in WORD, converted to PDF doc. But PDF doc is still in 8.5X11. Read ADOBE support help info. Te

In MAC, I want to change document size from 8.5X11 to 18X24 to create a poster to print through Staples. I created the doc originally in WORD, changed the size in WORD, converted to PDF doc. But PDF doc is still in 8.5X11. Read ADOBE support help info. Terls me to change size in application rather than printer. BUT ACROBAT Pro does not give me a page set up option in FILE. I can only find one in the printer dialog box. Help!

from the FAQs on Staples website:
I have a file that I know is a PDF, but the website claims it is not in a PDF format. What should I do?
Check to see that the file has the .PDF extension. Also, check that the filename does not have any special characters such as an ampersand (“&”).
Regarding your measurements set to centimeters rather than inches; is it just in MS Word?
Or does it occur in all other applications.
Check your Work preferences first:
If it is happening in all your applications, check your Mac OS System Preferences.

Can I have both facing and non-facing pages in a document?

I am trying to assemble a booklet with 11x17 spreads - some of these will be two facing 8.5x11 pages, but others will be a single 11x17 image, and would be better to treat them as a one page spread. We will be producing a hardcopy and an electronic version. The hastily sketched image below shows what I'm looking for. In the PDF version, the pages would be oriented as shown. In the booklet, the large images would be rotated to fit into the 8.5x11 booklet and viewed centerfold style.
Is this a thing I can accomplish in one InDesign document, or will I need to produce separate versions for the digital & print editions?
Thanks!!

For the print version I would set up as an ordinary 8.5 x 11 facing pages file, and rotate the spread view for the pages that you need to see as 11 x 17 verticals, but you're going to need a second PDF for the electronic version if you want to export spreads. I'd give exporting as PDF (Interactive) a try -- spreads is the default, and rotate the occasional page in Acrobat before distribution. That will give you spreads for everything, though, so if you want to have individual 8.5 x 11 pages, you'll need to export multiple PDFs, specifying ranges, with spreads selected or deselected, then combine them all into a single PDF in Acrobat for distribution.

The inline line object in the header is offset in facing pages. How can I make it align with the outer margin?

I have a Pages document with a header that contains both text and a line (a shape, inline) below the text. When I make the document two-sided (facing pages), with a 1" inside margin and a .75" outside margin, the line offsets either left or right in each section of the document. When a section starts with a right-hand page, the line is right justified on ALL the pages in the section (1" from the left and .75" from the right), even though it should be .75" from the LEFT on the LEFT-HAND pages. When a section starts with a left-hand page, the line is left justified on ALL the pages in the section.
Is there any way to get the header line to align with the margins properly in facing pages?

Hi Debra,
Click on Inspector > Layout > Section > Configuration
Is there a tick in 'Left and right pages are different'?
Please post a screen shot of your headers. That will help to show what you are trying to achieve.
To take a screen shot, hold down the shift and command keys, then type 4. The cursor will change to crosshairs. Release the shift and command keys. Drag over that part of your screen then release the mouse/trackpad. A screen shot will appear on your desktop. In a reply to a message, click on the camera icon in the Toolbar above your reply and
Choose File > Choose > Insert Image
You may have to try this twice. Camera icon sometimes needs a wake-up call, but works the second time.
Remove any personal details before taking the screen shot.
Regards,
Ian.

Printing Facing Pages

I can create pdfs with facing pages and local printer can print them out fine. What i want to be able to do is have my facing page exported in indiesign
pages look like this on screen with spreads which is what I want.
1
2-3
4-5
6
But i would also like to print this out on my office printers so that it looks correct and I can fold it. So when printing it would look ike this on each printed page
6-1
2-3
4-5
Does this make sense? this this possible printing through adobe pdf or indesign without re-laying the page out in landscape format? I know my local printer somehow does it from the pdf.
Thanks for your help.

You don't mention version, and it is slightly different between versions, but staring in CS you might have the InBooklet SE plugin, definitely have it in CS2, or have Print Booklet in CS3 or CS4, all of which will be under the File menu. THese are imposition tools for printing directly from ID, but if you need PDF, for example to print two sides on a non-duplexing printer, you can print to the Adobe PDF virtual printer that is installed with Acrobat (full versions, not reader).
Peter

Baseline grid? How do you make type line up across facing pages?

I'm laying out a book in Pages, and I have it set up as 12.5-point type on 15-point line spacing, exactly. The margin at the top and bottom of both pages is 0.9 inches. There is a header and a footer set on each page at 0.4 inches. But occasionally, one page will have 32 lines of body type on it, and the facing page will have 31 lines. No change in type size or leading on either page.
When I saw in the Pages user manual that you could specify the line spacing "exactly," I thought that was the solution. But still, occasionally, I will get two facing pages do not line up exactly, one still has 32 lines and the other 31.
I thought, hmm, what if I change the leading to 14.9-point on the 31-line page just to see what happens. Weirdly enough, the spacing does tighten up, way more than enough to fit that 32nd line onto the page, but the type does not flow back in from the next page. It just leaves a bigger space there than before, and still 31 lines. I'm stumped.
Is there any kind of baseline grid feature in Pages that might cure this? I didn't see anything like that in the user manual, but could there be some kind of equivalent, or a workaround? (Well, besides using Quark or InDesign?) It would look so much better if it didn't have the occasional blank line at the bottom of a page.
Thanks for any advice.

Thanks much, Walt and Peter, you were both right. I rethought my whole document layout, starting with the idea that I would put every line of 12-point body type on a 14-point slug. So I made the page length a multiple of 14-point lines. I also had some 16-point chapter titles that I formatted to be on 28-point slugs. I was not consistent enough in my chapter headline formatting before. And I tweaked my top and bottom margins so the length of the type area on the page would accommodate 37 lines of type. Once I had this setup, I was confident it would work. It did. For a while. Then I ran into a page that had only 36 lines, not 37. Hmmm. Yes, that's where unchecking the "prevent widow and orphan lines" box paid off. It allowed a line to flow back from the next page and fill in the 37th slug.
It doesn't have the elegance of setting up a baseline grid and locking the type to it, but it works. Thanks again for your assistance, guys.

Facing pages when Digital Publishing

I used document setup to change a document's intent to Digital Publishing - the master still shows facing pages, which I think is not supposed to show when intent is set to digital publishing.
Anybody seen this? Have a workaround.It's not a show-stopper, but I prefer not to have hanging chads when I go to publish.
P.S. great job with the live demo today Colin and Bob.

Sorry for the delay.
In such scenario you have to provide a dummy MSO with 2 empty states for every page. You can use master pages to make your work faster. For every MSO you set a slideshow with "swipe to change image" checked. This will prevent from swiping to next or previous article.
In the article properties leave the "horizontal scroll only" option unchecked, to allow vertical scrolling within your articles. Also set smooth scrolling to "Off (Snap to Page"). You have to provide buttons with actions "Go to URL" on every page. I would suggest using "navto://relative" format, as described here:
http://helpx.adobe.com/digital-publishing-suite/help/hyperlink-overlays.html#relative_navt o_links
All that said, I am rather skeptical of using button navigation throughout the app. Swipe is far more natural on tablets, and it doesn't constrain your other interactivity on the page as much as dummy MSO. I use this solution mainly when I want to direct my readers to some specific place in the app, or to provide them with a multiple choice, instead of letting them just continue linear reading.
Regards,
Tomek

Bridge CS5 viewing InDesign Thumbnails on Facing Pages

When I recently upgraded to CS5 the view that I can see into InDesign files (from Bridge) changed. Specifically, if I want to look at a document with facing pages the Bridge thumbnail only shows the left-hand page. I need to see both sides of the document 'spread' which is something I could always do before. Does anyone else have this problem... and perhaps a solution? When I look at older InDesign files they show up with both pages (as I would like) but nothing created with the later version of InDesign shows up that way. Help!

Does anyone else have this problem...
You might be better of in the dedicated InDesign forum for this question.
Also check out this thread:
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/756859?tstart=90

Facing page side head setup

Hi all,
How can I setup a side head on a facing page layout, as I have to produce a book over 1000 pages with a paragraph number on the outside margin of the facing pages, that mean the paragraph number on left hand page show on left hand size but on right hand page show on right hand size. I try to set a paragraph style or Anchored object and auto numbering to locate paragraph number, however, if there is update and cause the text reflow to next page, all the left hand paragraph number cannot automatic switch to right hand margin, I have to check the subsequence page again (over 1000pages).
Is there any way to make it automatically so after the text reflow the paragraph number can locate to the right position without manual adjust.
Thank for your help in advance.

Got it, now I put the paragraph number on top of each paragraph, leading 0 pt and baseline shift one line, aligment "away from spine" and Keep option set Keep with next 1 line, all fine now! thank for all your help.

When opening a CS 6 doc, why aren't facing pages centered in the window?

It's driving me crazy that InDesign CS 6 opens facing-page documents, such as book chapters, with the spreads in erratic places: up, down, to the side, but seemingly never centered in the window! What's going on?

Peter, regarding your manual "replace preferences" method, I did that, and InDesign still moves the spread when it's re-opened (unless I adhere to Steve Werner's limitation of only using "fit in window" before I close it.) If for any reason I zoom out a bit while working, and save it that way, when the file is re-opened, it very much off-center, and cannot really be worked on until I pull it back to a quasi-centered position. I don't think I'm unusual in wanting to work on a spread that's approximately in the middle of my window. There's absolutely no reason for InDesign to move the position of the spread when it's re-opened. It's not a "feature request," as Steve Werner said, it's a bug... Plain and simple. And far from "honestly, I don't think most people notice," I respectfully disagree: I think people notice. I'm hugely appreciative of anyone who helps with these forums, don't get me wrong. Your input, and Steve's input helped me think through this problem. I now firmly believe it's an interface bug, and will request that Adobe fix it in a future release. Thanks again.

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