Rebate condition in rebate agreement cannot be maintained (greyed out)

Hi.
We have setup rebate processing in CRM 7.0.
We get our invoice to the billing due list and it fills then the extract. But we fail in setting up the rebate agreemnt in the webui.
Partner and material are entered. On the position (material) we try to add one of the conditions of the maintenance group we customized. Both condition types can be selected but none of them will work.
What happens: we click on "new" select the condition type and get then presented with the view but with all fields greyed out (as in display mode).
As there are a lot of obligatory fields we get up to 8 messages. After "fill in required entry fields" it says "maintain rebate material".
Whatever that means.
The material we use is a finished product.
Has somebody ever seen this or some idea. Couldn't find oss messages on this.
Thanks.
Regards,
Thorsten

Hi Klaas,
If I remember well, in the standard price determination there is a conditional formula that only shows rebate conditions in the invoice, therefore you should not see rebate conditions in the sales order.
That is standard functionality.
For a Customer I took out the formula condition in the pricing so he could actually see the rebate condition in the sales order, the reason was to had access to this information before end of month invoicing. The problem is that in case of changes in rebate agreement or in case of retrospective agreements the rebate condition is only updated in the invoice, not in the sales order.
Best Regards,
Franck

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Rebate agreements / Rebate condition type

Hi Experts,
Can anyone tell me how to process Rebate agreements/Rebate condition types in pricing procedure.Please help me by giving step to step description for rebate condition type and where to maintain condition records and how they function.
Thanks in advance experts,
Kanna Palle.

Hi ,
find some notes on rebates.
in the billing document, the rebates are calculated as per the the accrual rates in rebates condition records. My question if the invoice is for Rs 100 and accrual rebate amt in invoice is rs 2. will the customer pay Rs 98 against this invoice of full Rs 100.
Ans --> Customer need to pay Rs 100 only , rebate amount will paied to the customer after completion of the rebate duration in between there will be partial settlement.
2) what happens during manual accruals. why a credit memo request is generated during manual accruals. what happens to accruals as per condition records.
Ans--> Manual Accruals
Use
Posting accruals manually can be useful in different situations such as:
Lump sum payments
Accruals correction
You can control at which time and for which amount the accruals should be posted.
You can build accruals for a particular condition record or reverse them in part or in full.
When you save the rebate agreement, the system will automatically create a credit memo request. The system uses this document to create a credit memo. When the credit memo is released, the accruals are posted to FI.
If you have posted accruals manually, but these have not been passed on to financial accounting, the manual accruals and manual payments in the rebate agreement are blocked.
3) what happens during partial settlement. do the accruals already poested gets reduced to the extent of amount of partial settlement. do manaul accruals have any role to play during partial settlement
Ans->Partial Settlement
Use
You can also partially settle a rebate agreement during its validity period. The amount to be paid can be limited in Customizing for Sales. Payments can be:
limited to the cumulative accruals of the condition record
limited to the amount that would be paid if final settlement were presently carried out
unlimited
You carry out partial settlement by using the manual payment screen within rebate agreement processing. On this screen you can specify the amount to be paid for each condition record.
The system will automatically create a credit memo request for the amounts specified.
It will also reverse the accruals with the credit memo if the rebate agreement type is configured accordingly. If the payment exceeds the recordu2019s accumulated accruals, the system will only reverse the accruals which are actually there.
The system gives you the opportunity to carry out additional partial settlements when previous partial settlements remain open in the form of credit memo requests or credit memos. The system always takes open documents into account when determining the maximum amount which you can pay.
When the system carries out final settlement for a rebate agreement, it takes all partial payments into account.
4) what happens during final settlement. do manual accruals have any role to play during final settlement i.e. do they get reversed and what happens to accurals posted as per rebate condition records.
Ans-->Final settlement
Use
When you carry out final settlement of a rebate agreement, the system automatically
calculates the rebate based on the sales volume statistics or the lump sum
deducts any previously paid rebates
It then creates a credit memo request, and proposes the end date of the agreement validity period as the billing date.
The system also reverses any accruals that have been posted.
Depending on Customizing, when the system creates a credit memo request, the document is automatically blocked for billing. After approving the credit memo request, the person responsible can remove the billing block. You can then create the final credit memo.
When you want to search for credit memo requests during sales order processing, you can use the match code F "Credit memo request for rebate".
You can carry out final settlement of rebate agreements
automatically
Manually
as a background task (in batch)
Settling Single Rebate Agreements
You can carry out settlement directly from within a rebate agreement.
Before you save the rebate agreement you can still carry out changes to the credit memo request:
The credit memo request is only saved when you save the rebate agreement.
Carrying out Final Settlement as a Background Task
If the volume of your sales rebate processing is high, you can collectively process rebate settlements as a background task.
The following reports are available:
RV15C001
RV15C002
Your system administrator can use these reports to generate a list of rebate agreements, based on various selection criteria, such as rebate recipient, status of the agreement, and so on.
Background processing can then be carried out later. I.e., after the regular posting periods.
After a list is generated, the rebate agreements can be analyzed or processed for payment.
For more information about settling rebates as a background task, see your system administrator.
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Rebate Condition Type cannot be reflected in sales order?

Hi Guru:
It seemed to be a issue? I set up the rebate agreement and ran the vbof successfully regarding this condition type rebate,and the retroactive billing also can view its rebate condition type as well as the accruals,and I believe the rebate settlement had been run too,credit memo to customer will be aslo routed to accounting side for sure,but I failed to see the rebate condition type and accrual value in the sales order based upon the retroactive all billings,please advise what I should do,thanks.

Hi Klaas,
If I remember well, in the standard price determination there is a conditional formula that only shows rebate conditions in the invoice, therefore you should not see rebate conditions in the sales order.
That is standard functionality.
For a Customer I took out the formula condition in the pricing so he could actually see the rebate condition in the sales order, the reason was to had access to this information before end of month invoicing. The problem is that in case of changes in rebate agreement or in case of retrospective agreements the rebate condition is only updated in the invoice, not in the sales order.
Best Regards,
Franck

Table Name for Rebates Condition Records in Rebate Agreements

Hello All,
I want to know the table name which stores the condition records for Rebate Condition Types?
fast responses are appreciated.
Regards,
Rags.

Hi,
Try KONA table.
KONM KONW
Regards,
Chandra

Rebate condition type

Dear Experts,
I have created a condition type for material rebate and the same has been assigned to condition type grp in turn condition type grp is assigned to rebatye agreement type....besides the same(cond type) is included in the pricing procedure.....the issue is even after maintaining the cond record the values are not flowing moreover when I see to the condition type details in the order level( I
deliberately made the rebate cond type to flow in sales order) few settings got changed like scale type,calculation type,..etc...how come the settings may change other than what I have maintained...I could see my own settings exist in V/06 for the rebate cond type.....what would be the reason?.....thanks in advance.......

Hi,
1st see in condition detial,maintain
Processing priority - Automatic entry has priorit or No limitation
Second,in price procedure V/08, if you maintained any requirement in requirement coloumn in front of rebate condition then remove that.
Kapil

Rebate Condition

Hi,
We maintain the basis value as a scale value in purchase rebate agreement. When we create a rebate agreement wrt PO the rebate condition occurs in PO only if the PO value is equal or more than the basis value in rebate agreement. But the client dont buy all items at once equal to the basis value, they buy less in many PO's and only if they reach the purchase equal or more than basis value then the rebate will be paid. Please let me know how to handle this scenario.
Thanks,
MM

Hi
The type of rebate that you are applying is a volume rebate whcih gets applied only once you reach a certain limit.
Its all depedndent on the way you configure the Condition type. The condition type should be of
Cond. class C Expense reimbursement, this will ensure that the rebate is calculated for the total value procured, and counts each PO raised on the Vendor against whom the rebate arrangement is maintained.
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Kishore

Modify existing rebate condition and exclusion

Hi
We are rebate agreements for customers. Currently I want to modify rebate condition in one of rebate agreement.
Scenario: let us June 10th 2010 onwards, the rebate % is 3% for Profit center 'xxxx' & customer 'yyyy' instead of 1%. And 3% needs to accrued on billing docs going forward. How to set up this.
I tried to modify existing rebate condition using VBo2 as follows: went into rebate agreement using VBo2, changed rebate % for condition record with effective from 06/11/2010 and Saved. problem when I ran VBOF program, system posted reversal accrual for old rebate condition 1%. Old condition record validity from 01/01/2009 Valid to 12/31/2011.
I have one more question. We want to set up rebate condition for all materials exclude some of them. we have thousands of materials for which we need to calculate rebates. but we want to exclude some materials in the rebate agreement. How to set up such exclus
any ideas really appreciated
thnx

The key of your condition table (the one supporting your condition record in the agreement) is evidently Profit Center / Customer. So for any combination of profit center and customer, you can maintain a rate and validity period.
You are attempting to maintain two separate records having the same key. As you have experienced, the system does not allow it.
The simple solution is to expire that rebate agreement and start a new one with the updated validity period and conditions.
As for excluding certain materials, you need a more detailed key in your condition table. Something else from the material master seems appropriateu2014Commission Group for example. Maintain commissionable materials in group 01 and non-commissionable ones in group 02. Then a key combination of Commission Group / Profit Center / Customer would work well for you.
Regards,
Ken

Table for Rebate Condition Types( Condition Records)

Hello All,
I need the table and the FM name which stores the values of the Key Combination of the Rebate Condition Type maintained in a Rebate Agreement.
If not, at least, give me the name of the FM which stores the values of the key combination maintained in condition records for pricing.
Regards,
Raghu.

I'll give an example,what am looking for..:
I've a Condition Type: ZBAX for ex. it has a key combination: Sales OrgCustomerMaterial.
I maintain condition records as:
For CU70/21100043/3456 the value of the condition record is say 100 euro.
My question is where will I get the values CU70/21100043/3456 ?
FYI..in T685 the defintion of the Condition Type is stored. in SAP, no T-table is meant to store condition record values.
KONA contains data on Rebate Agreements i.e. RA no, Rebate Recepient etc..
I know that KONP stores the accrual %, scale base, scale values etc..
but, I want to know where are the values for the key stored? Or, the FM that would fetch me these details?
I hope am clear..
Regards,
Raghu.

ERROR Message while creating Rebate condition record T code VBO1

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You said you are trying to do this stuff in IDES right.
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Reference Rebate condition

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Thanku2019s for your time

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If the customer has returned the materials then create the Returns order (with ref to billing doc) and then do billing then automatically the accruals value get reduced and as the customer has returned the stocks for that also this flow will be working . So if you do the following flow then the accurals value will get adjusted and the materials will also be taken back
VA01 (order type-RE) ->VL01N(Post goods receipt) -> VF01(Billing ). You might have done this flow only
Regards
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Manual rebate condition exclusion not refreshed after redetermination of it

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Lately, we realized there is an error occurring in the price deternination:
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This is not standard due to information of SAP OSS.

Rebate conditions

Hi all.
I am exploring rebate management concept. Ive got stuck here. I have created rebate conditions in CRM.
I have also loaded the customizing settings for these from R/3 backend system. But the pricing conditions are not getting correctly determined.
Has anyone worked on this before?
Please help me.
Seema

Seema.
Going by your words that you have maintained all teh settings in ERP you need to do some tehnical settings as below...
Before you do this i suggest you once again check all the customizing settings in ERP.
you have to create the function module 'CND_MAP_CONV_FUNC_T685A_KRUEK' in the function group 'CND_MAP_GNRL_INTF_OW'.
See the interface details below:
You can also implement the interface directly by copying the module 'CND_MAP_CONV_FUNC_T682Z_QUSTR'
Interface of the module 'CND_MAP_CONV_FUNC_T685A_KRUEK'
Import
Parameter Name
IV_SOURCE_FIELD    check the 'Pass Value' checkbox.
Export
Parameter Name
EV_TARGET_FIELD    check the 'Pass Value' checkbox.
You must change the following existing entries in the CND_MAPC_CNV_FLD table.
Field Name                           Content
MAPPING ASSIGNMT           'A'
LOCAL TABLE                      'PRCC_COND_CT'
LOCAL FIELD                       'KRUEK'
REMOTE TABLE                   'T685A'
REMOTE FIELD                    'KRUEK'
CONVERSION TYPE              'C'
CONVERSION FUNC              'CND_MAP_CONV_FUNC_T685A_KRUEK'
Field Name                       Content
MAPPING ASSIGNMT       'A'
LOCAL TABLE                  'REBC_COND_CT'
LOCAL FIELD                   'KRUEK'
REMOTE TABLE              'T685A'
REMOTE FIELD               'KRUEK'
CONVERSION TYPE        'C'
CONVERSION FUNC        'CND_MAP_CONV_FUNC_T685A_KRUEK'
Save your changes.
You must re-download the Customizing of the condition types again from ERP.
Only then, the KRUEK field of the condition types for bonus is filled correctly in the PRCC_COND_CT und REBC_COND_CT CRM Customizing tables.
Hope this helps.
<b> <i> Julius Pereira </i> </b>

Rebate condition in rebate agreement cannot be maintained (greyed out)

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