Receiver Determination in BPM - Correct me

Hi everyone,
I came accross some document saying that
<b>every send/ receive step in BPM, there should be one receiver determination.</b>
Can anyone explain this to me.
thanks,
-Naveen.

Hi,
Yes your IP will be another service like your Business Service/System
If your BPM is like this
receive>Transform>Send
then in ID receiver determiniation would be
SenderBS --> IP
IP-->RecieverBS
Regards,
Prakash

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