Receiver determination step in the BPM and multiline container

i have made a file2file scenario where:
there is a BPM,
the BPM has a send step which contains a receive step,
a transformation that mapps the incomin message to two messages(Split-messgae case),
and then a FORK step which sends the two messges to through 2 SEND steps to the intended receiver services.
It didnt work......and i followed a blog-> /people/sudharshan.aravamudan/blog/2005/12/01/illustration-of-multi-mapping-and-message-split-using-bpm-in-sap-exchange-infrastructure ............... which suggested to have a
"receiver-determination" step in the BPM before the SEND step.... it says that this
"receiver-determination" step will put the message in a MULTILINE container..
i m confused bout this step ........ can anybody explain.....
please help

HI,
In receiver determination step selctthe multi line container element.in container editor create the one element with type as receiver and select the check box.
A Receiver Determination step returns set of receivers configured for the output abs interfaces in the directory and puts it into receiver which is a multiline container receiver element
Regards
Chilla

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How to use Receiver determination step in the BPM?

Hi!
I'm not sure, how to use the receiver determination step in the BPM... What is it good for? I have read the documentation, but I still don't know, what is it good for.. A little example would be great!
Thanx, Peter

Hi,
>>I have read the documentation,
but have you seen the example?
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/11/13283fd0ca8443e10000000a114084/content.htm
Regards,
Michal

Receiver Determination step in BPM along with acknowledgement

Hi All,
We are planing to implement an idoc to soap scenario .
There are 2 receiver systems, A and B.
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So,we need help in the receiver Determination step of the BPM and how to configure the acknowledgement back to the
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I have seen the use of Receiver Determination step inside a BPM in case when you want to send multiple messages to one target system and then keep on receiving the response messages.
In your case can you not use the Switch Block to help you decide the subsequent steps (once you know the value in the field from IDOC which tells you the receiver)....then in the corresponding branch of the Switch include Send and receive step. If you provide more details on what your BPM is expected to do then somebody can help you with the design.

"receiver-determination" step and multiline container

i have made a file2file scenario where:
there is a BPM,
the BPM contains a receive step,
a transformation that mapps the incomin message to two messages(Split-messgae case),
and then a FORK step which sends the two messges to through 2 SEND steps to the intended receiver services.
It didnt work......and i followed a blog-> /people/sudharshan.aravamudan/blog/2005/12/01/illustration-of-multi-mapping-and-message-split-using-bpm-in-sap-exchange-infrastructure ............... which suggested to have a
"receiver-determination" step in the BPM before the SEND step.... it says that this
"receiver-determination" step will put the message in a MULTILINE container..
i m confused bout this step ........ can anybody explain.....
please help

Receiver Determination step will return all receivers that are configured in Integration Directory, for that particular message interface, having the BPM as the sender service.
So, more than one receiver may return. Hence you need to define the receiver container as a multiline container.
Here you go with explanations- for Receiver Determinations in BPM-
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw04/helpdata/en/11/13283fd0ca8443e10000000a114084/content.htm

BPM - Do we need receiver determination step between trans and sync send?

Hi Gurus,
I have a 1:1 transformation step followed by a sync send step. The transformation step is executing fine. While the sync step is executing, I am getting an error says 'No receiver determination found'.
While I am executing this sync step in a separate, it is working fine.
Do I need to have 'Receiver determination step' between Transformation step and Sync send step? I think so. Can somebody confirms this?
Thanks for your kind help.
Kalyan

Hi,
I think there is no need of a Receiver determination step in the BPM.
You should have a proper receiver determination in configuration for this BPM scenario. (i.e) A receiver determination from BPM to the service configured for the synchronous interface.
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P.Venkat

How does Receiver Determination Step in BPM work?

Hi,
I'm still in trouble with the Receiver determination step in the BPM...
Normally, when you use the send step, it sends the message in the flow context. Am I right, when I suppose, that when you put the receiver determination step before this send step, the send step sends the message in the context of the receiver determination - that means: if in the Integration Directory, there is receiver determination (with some conditions) and these are matched with the message in the send step, the send step sends it into the receiver, that is defined for the condition and not in the flow context... Right?
Please, write me just your experiences and not links to the documentation. I read it all, but... :O(
Thanx 4 your help, Peter

Hi Peter,
The receiver determination step is used to get a list of receivers for a subsequent send step.It makes a call to the receiver determination you configured in the Integration Directory and returns the receiver list.
Here you specify the send context and the multiline container element for the receiver list.
The send context is a string.The send context can have any string value and depending upon the condition in recvr determination you can route to multiple receivers.
Regards
Priyanka

BPM : Receiver Determination Step

Hi,
I was wondering why we need a Reciever determination step since on send step xi automatically find that there are multiple receiver and sends them accordingly to the different system as per reciever agreement.
Is it that the receiver determination is only useful for multicast which is for send and waiting for the message response from those receiver.
Kindly let me know your comments.
THnks

Hello chinna,
You need receiver determination step becoz even though in BPM u define what are ur receivers but not what service its handling. Lets say this is the scenario :
File>RFC>FILE
ex: /people/arpit.seth/blog/2005/06/27/rfc-scenario-using-bpm--starter-kit
You dont specify in the receivers of BPM where to write the file and how to write the file?
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Receiver Determination Step For Synchrnous Send in BPM

Hi,
How to use BPM Receiver Determination step for a synchronous send step?
My scenario is to send a request to multiple receivers synchronously and get the response.How can i achieve this using Receiver Determination step in BPM.
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Divia

Hi Sreedivia,
As far as use of synchronous message is concern with receiver determination step, it wont allow you to use Abstract Synchronous message interface in it.
Even you cannot give multiple receivers without specifying any condition while creating Receiver determination in integration directory.
Regards,
Sami.

Question about Receiver Determination step in BPM

Hello all,
I have a BPM process similar to Multicat BPM Pattern.
I have some questions regarding how the Receiver Determination works:
1. Does it have to have interface determination in the Integration Directory?
2. Does that interface determination (including the mapping) takes place when sending a message to a receiver from that Receiver Determination step,
or should I perform a Mapping step explicitly in the process?
Thanks ahead,
Yoav.

Yoav,
Am not sure if I understood your requirement compltely.
Case A:If you are using a send step without a Transformation Step.
Then Send will have message A being sent out from BPm and then , during Interface Determiantion this will be transformed into Message B by Mapping in Interface Determination and this message B will be received by receiver
Case B:If you have a transform and then a Send
In this case, the mapping has been done, so you have the message B with you and so, them message sent from the BPM will be message BHope this clarifies,
Regards,
Bhavesh
Message was edited by: Bhavesh Kantilal

Use of Receiver determination step in BPM

Hi,
I am not clear about the exact use of Receiver determination step in BPM. From my understanding, it is used for synchronous communication with many receivers configured, for eg. Multicast etc. Can anybody explain the use of receiver determination with any specific requirement example.
Regards,
Santosh

HI,
The usage of Receiver Determination depends on how you have designed your BPM. You can have the mapping getting executed in your BPM itself using a TRANSFORM step or you can do it in your Inteface Determination if you are not doing it in your BPM.
If you do the mapping inside the BPM using Transformation step, then you need to send the Message i.e. Mapped message . In this case, your Interface determination will only determine the Receiver Interface, and it will not execute the interface mapping . (if you are not providing the Interface mapping in the Interface determination).
Example is given here-
http://help.sap.com/saphelp_nw2004s/helpdata/en/14/d5283fd0ca8443e10000000a114084/content.htm
Thanks
Swarup

Receiver determination step in BPM

Hi, I have open a topic about BLOCK in BPM, as this link
Re: question on BLOCK in BPM
I descript the symptom in it, you can have a look.
But now I find that the problem is due to receiver determination step in BPM, not block.
So I think I'd better post it as a new topic.
Are there anyone familiar with the receiver determination step in BPM, or know how to correctly use receiver determination step in BPM. Specially the 'send context', how to set it and how to combine it in Integration Directory.
Thanks a lot

You use the send context to specify a condition in your recevier determination. If your BPM flow sends the same message type in different send steps to different destinations you can specify some unique text like "R3" or "LEGACY" in the send context of your send step. Then in the receiver determination you can specify a condition that says Process Step = "R3" send to R3 "Process Step="LEGACY" send to legacy system.
Hope that helps.
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Jitendra

Receiver Determination steps for BPM scenario

Hi Experts,
Scenario : SOAP -> Calling different webservices
1. SOAP Client Request
2. Call the Initial webserive to get the unique Id. No need to pass any request to call this webservice, but it will give the response.
3. Take the Initial websrevice's response as a request to second webservice
4. Pass the SOAP client request to Third webservice
BPM steps
1. Receive Step for SOAP Request
2. Send Step for the Initial webservice call.
3. Transformation step Initial webservice response to request change.
4. Send Step for Second webservice (Pass the the Transformation step's target interface as a request)
5. Send Step for Third webservice ( Pass SOAP client request)
I am done with the BPM flow. Could you please help to do the Receiver Determination steps.
Usually I follow the below steps.
1. Sender Service to BPM
2. BPM to other services. I have a doubt with the second step. I am not passing the SOAP client request to Initial webservice. So, please tell me how to proceed further for the BPM Receiver Determination steps..
Thanks & Regards
Sara

Hey,
First, what is th purpose of your SOAP client request.
Is it just to trigger the BPM.
Second on what basis are you fetching the unique Id from initial web service.
If it is a normal scenario then, the reciever determination will be like this.
Soap client-> BPM
BPM->initial webservice
BPM->second webservice
BPM->third webservice
but in this particular scenario i dont know which data is being used to fetch the unique Id.
regards,
Milan

Dynamic Receiver Determination [W/O using BPM] Sync interface

I have been exploring options w.r.t. performance sensitive service interface.
This has following issues :
1. Gets a org code looking up instance and route the msg. accordingly to an RFC and get response back.
2. Prominent answer would be Enhanced receiver determination step but that doesnt work in sync case.
3. Classic Receiver Determination needs the condition to be evaluated in source msg. which is not going to happen.
4. Use BPM i designed one but performance its not all acceptable it has a round trip of 10Sec.
are there any ways to overcome this ?

Hi Bujji,
can you explain the point 1.
1. Gets a org code looking up instance and route the msg. accordingly to an RFC and get response back.
Thanks and Regards,
Himadri
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Integration Process Receiver Determination Step

Hi experts,
May I know whether the "Receiver Determination Step" (in Integration Process) that collects the list of receivers configured, can be used only to find list of asynchronous receivers?
Can't we use this "Receiver Determination Step" in synchronous scenario? If yes, may i know how to?
Thank you!
Best Regards,
Saravanan

Thank you Gaurav!
I can understand we can use multi-casting.
To clearly put my scenario, I have to use synchronous send (so cannot split send and receive step, and so no need of correlation) in my BPM, which have to synchronously send (and so it receives within same step) message to multiple receivers. This is the reason I am trying to use receiver determination step first and in a loop trying to synchronously send message to each receiver and receiving response.
Now my problem is in the receiver determination step, it is not identifying any of the receivers configured in the integration directory. The receiver determination list returns empty.
So, I want to know whether this receiver determination step is only for async receivers or synchronous receivers also.
Best Regards,
Saravanan N

About receiver determination step.

how does the receiver determination step in bpm knows to calls which receiver determination in ID?
which parameter determines this?

>> is there receiver determination info in your header info?
the receiver for a particular msg is always determined from the sebder info in a msg : sender service, interface.namespace.
>>where to view header info?
u can see the msg in various stages at it passes thru integration engine in SXMB_MONI. u can see various pipeline steps...and see the msg as it leaves each pipeline step.
>>where do we should view the content of variables?
to monitor ur process and each step of it go to worklog's tech view and look for each step u want to monitor in detail .
regards,
latika.
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