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hi,
I have a new mini with the pioneer dvr-K06 superdrive.
Can anyone suggest DL media that have worked for them?
Both for iDVD projects and with Toast (I have iDVD 7.0.2 and Toast 8.0).
(I've used imation single layer media with both toast and idvd and they've worked fine.)
Thanks-

Can anyone suggest DL media that have worked for them?
Exactly what Len Goff recommended.... It really is your best choice.
I've also had good results with Imation as you have discovered....but Verbatim is even better.
Others that have worked well for me are Taiyo Yuden, Maxell, and RiData.

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Player compatibility problem with dual layer media

I've created a dual layer DVD and there is a problem with compatibility from player to player.
It plays fine in one of my DVD players but will not load in the other.
The duplicators tested my master on 2 players and it loaded on both, but would lock up if a chapter was selected from the submenu.
It has 4 tracks of content. 3 menus, and a bunch of chapter markers. The original build had stories (replaced with standard chapter markers) but I removed them hoping it would solve the problem.
The imported video tracks were created with Compressor. MPEG-2 2 pass VBR max bit rate 7.5. AC3 audio tracks. 7.7 GB on disc.
I'm already way over my deadline and ahve no idea what to do next other than maybe recompress so the disc is not so close to being maxed out.

Thats just how compatible that media is... +R DL (double layer) & -R DL are not that compatible. Recordable media is less compatible that replicated discs but double and dual layer media can be 50% compatible at best (depending on your target market...)
Good quality media, Verbatim +R DL for example burnt at slow speeds helps improve things,
-Jake

Will DVD Studio Pro support dual layer media

I have a project that is 1 hour and 46 minutes long. DVD Studio Pro 2 has built the project but it reports that a 4.7 DVD will not hold the build. Other than the Data Meter, is there a way to find out how much the project is over 4.7? What are my options? Is it possible to lower the compression settings to get this to fit without sacrificing too much quality? Does DVD Studio Pro 2 support dual layer burning? Sorry about asking these questions, but I am on my laptop which does not have the program or help/manual and I would like to find out ASAP so I can order dual layer media if that will work.
How sketchy is playback of home burned dual media in ordinary DVD players?

You should be able to get your project on a DVD-5, you would need to adjust your encoding settings and depending on the footage you may not see a big hit (You can build the project to see how far over it actually is)
First if you have not made the audio AC3, do so, will save room
As to the video , take a look here for calculator
http://www.videohelp.com/calc.htm
Usually I tweak a bit lower than the calulator. For instance if it says an average rate of 5.2, set you average to 5, chances are you will not see the differene between 5 and 5.2 and can save you reencoding heartache/headache down the road. Max rates really should not be higher than 7.4 or so - do not set max video rates to 9.636 as shown in the calculator. In theory it works, in practice can cause playback issues.
How sketchy is playback of home burned dual media in ordinary DVD players?
+R DL works fairly well DVD SP 2 did not support DL burning if I recall correctly, but if you have Toast you can burn from there.

Writing to Dual Layer Media

I know the new Macbook can read Dual layer media (8.5gb), but can it write to these also?
I have 1000's of photos to back up and dont want to buy these disks and find I cant use them, as they are quite expensive!

In theory, yes.
In practice, many find the superdrives in their apple notebooks to be fussy about media. And fairly slow burners.
I'd strongly urge that you use a tray-loading, external, firewire burner for any major project.
An external drive does not have the design constraints of these tiny superdrives that have to fit inside crowded notebooks.
With a less fussy drive, you will have much more choice in shopping for media, and can pay for the drive very quickly in media savings alone. Plus they can use mini-discs and discs with paper labels.

DVD Playback Issues with Dual Layer media

I have been using DVDSP for years now, and have rarely had any issues with burning my final projects to DVD. Any playback issues have usually been issues with players and +or-R media.
I have recently upgraded to a MacPro, and have been really stoked about being able to burn to Dual Layer media. My previous G5 didn't have a DL burner.
I have a large project that fills most the disk, and everything seems great in the software, and when playing the media files on the computer. But when I burn to disk, I have huge issues with playback on different DVD players, computers, etc. I have stuttering with menu's, freezing, and stuttering with playback of video.
I read that the issue could be because of the speed I'm burning at in DVDSP, so I saved as a disk image, and used disk utility to burn at a 4x speed. This seemed to help, but when I got to the end of the movie I had huge issues with stuttering/playback quality. So I burned another copy from the same disk image, and it wouldn't even play in my DVD player.
When I open the Video_TS folder from the DVDSP Build, and play right off my hard drive in the DVD software player, I don't have any of these issues.
So I'm guessing my problem is either my DVD media I'm using, or the burners on this new computer. I've burned DVD's on both burners (yes I have 2) and I still have the same problems.
I am using Memorex DVD+R DL and they are 8x.
Can anyone offer me some advice here. I really wish I could just hit burn and have a disk work. DL media isn't all that cheap and I don't know how many coasters I can make and keep my sanity.

I used compressor and I used the DVD: Best Quality 90 Minutes setting. The bit rate is avg 6.2 and maximum 7.7. And yes I used ac3 audio.
When you say lowest speeds possible... shouldn't a burner that says it burns at a speed work at that speed? I'm cool with burning at a lower speed to get this thing to work, but why have a burner that burns DVD DL at 8x speed, when it doesn't work? Shouldn't it work? Why is it that it won't work?
If I get Verbatim DVD+R DL, can I burn at 8x speed with those?
When I burn in disk utility I used the "varify burned data" and everything checks out ok. So why do I have this issue. Just curious.

Backup to DVD doesn't span properly with dual layer media.

I attempted to use the backup feature in Itunes 7.0.1
After choosing backup to disc, it provided a warning that the backup would require more than one CD - and that's OK by me, so I went ahead and put media in the drive. It started and after filling the first disk, it stopped and said it was aborting because of an 'unspecified error?'
My DVD drive is capable of dual layer burning, and I use good quality media. It did successfully burn the DVD, but only part of the library was backed up onto the dual layer DVD I was using. I have used both this drive and this type/brand media succesfully on numerous other projects.
It looks like the backup routine fails when using dual layer media and backing up more than will fit on one media.
I could't acess the bug report paga so am posting it here.
I don't know if it's repeatable, because I don't want to waste any more dual layer DVD's.
Windows XP Pro, non remarkable system otherwise, P4 2400 - 1G memory no weird startup programs, no anti virus running. pretty much plain vanilla.
Just thought other might have the same issue.
Windows XP Pro

henry, would it be possible to get a copy of your CD/DVD diagnostics to Apple via the form at the bottom of the following document?
Optical drives diagnostics and troubleshooting

Media write error for dual layer DVD burn

I am having a problem burning a dmg to a dual layer DVD using the internal DVD writer. I have tried both Disk Utility and SimplyBurns.
Both program s go through the preparation for the file, and when it attempts to burn the disk I get a 'media write error'. I am using Memorex DVD +R DL disks. I have successfully burned both CDs and regular DVDs with the drive.
Does anyone have a suggestion on how I can fix this?
Thanks

I am using Memorex DVD +R DL disks.
Try Verbatim DVD+R DL discs.

Recommendations on Dual Layer DVD Burner Purchase

Anyone have any recommendations on a Dual Layer DVD burner to purchase to replace the old superdrive?

Nope - both formats are for both platforms, but there was a spate of +R players and discs made available on PCs when Apple were only using -R. However, I have two or three PC burners that were -R only (and are now sitting on a shelf somewhere) from those days. The capacity of both is so close as to not be an issue, although +R does hold slightly more data. The gross capacity of a DVD-R is 4.7GB, which is in fact 4.372GB when used in a computer. For DVD+R the gross is 4.73GB which converts to 4.377GB on your computer. I guess for some folk that additional capacity might be necessary, but it isn't really worth worrying too much about, IMO.
Using dual format drives is a good idea, as you can then use either type of disc... however if you read into the background of the formats you'll see that -R is slightly ahead of +R in the compatibility stakes, although more and more players are able to deal with both equally well.
When it comes to burning a DVD in your superdrive, the slower you burn the better the compatibility is likely to be, however some folk report 100% success with fast burns every time (I've had my share of problems with faster burners). As long as you get an Apple compatible drive you should be OK, if faster burning is what you want to do.
Layer break points - on a dual layer disc there comes a point when the laser in the player has to switch from the first to the second layer in order to access the data written there. The point at which this happens is controllable by the DVD author and is called the layer break point. However, on some media (specifically dual layer DVD-R) there is no point in setting this up as the first layer will get written until full, no matter what. There will then be an automatically set break point. When this occurs the change over is flagged as 'seamless' which is intended to make a smooth switch over but there are some players which cannot handle this kind of switch and it needs to be flagged as non-seamless. Other types of media (DVD+R DL) will allow you to set the break point where you want it and will allow you to set it as non-seamless. This helps increase the compatibility of your disc when playing back in set top players.
In DVDSP this means it is probably better to use DVD+R DL media when creating a DL sized project.

Keeps asking for Dual layer DVD

I made a slideshow in iMovie and shared to iDVD8. The media windows shows the file as 2.7 gig. But when I go to burn it says to insert a Dual Layer DVD because the project to large.
I dont have anything else in the project other then the menu which is 3 drop areas. Nothing to it.
I tried sharing again from imovie and selected medium this time with a files size of 1.7gig and i still get the same thing.
I do have quality set for PRO.

good question. I used the Theme that has half the screen as a grey fade. When i added music to it i changed it to 25 secs of playback. I would assume then my menu is only 25sec. It only has 1 button to start the movie.
At this point I have a DVD+R DL created that works fine my PC. After googling around I read about DL and changing the bitsetting before burning so that a TV DVD Player sees the disk as a DVD-ROM.
Would I be able to copy this DVD+R DL with Toast 8 and change that setting to make it work?
BTW, thank you for all the replies.
Bill

Best Dual-Layer Media?

It has been my experience that SuperDrives are very picky about which media they will use. My PowerBook was like this and my new iMac is also picky. My question is, can anyone recommend a brand of dual-layer dvds that they have had success with?
Here is my exact internal drive:
MATSHITADVD-R UJ-85J:
Model: MATSHITADVD-R UJ-85J
Revision: FCQA
Serial Number:
Detachable Drive: No
Protocol: ATAPI
Unit Number: 0
Socket Type: Internal
Low Power Polling: Yes
Thanks!

Here is a very good guide to use in purchaseing any media.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
Cheers Don

Compressing 7.5 Hour video for Dual Layer DVD

I've got to compress 7.5 hours of footage into an MPEG2 fittable on a Dual Layer DVD. The client knows that the quality will be inferior. Anyone have any suggestions as to settings before I start? I'm guessing to set the bitrate to 2.3 or so. How about the maximum? Thanks!

I used Compressor and set everything on the MPEG 2 settings to the lowest I could, like 2.1-5.0 and compressed the **** out of it. It looks pretty decent for that much compression. It only fit because I chopped off the credits sequence from the 15 different sections, compressed that seperately, then had them link to it so that it was actually about seven hours of footage. There's a little pixelation when you go into certain motion areas, but the client's happy. I only recommend doing this if there are no other options.
AK

Please help! why is the DVD burner not burning dual layer media in my G5?

I have tried, unsuccessully, to burn dual layer DVD's on my G5 using the latest iDVD software (iLife '08) but to no avail. I switch to dual layer in iDVD but invaribly, I always get a multiplexing error at the end of the burn. Any suggestions?
Rick

Are there any plans to update OS 10.4.11 to include a firmware update for the DVD drive? Or has it already been changed in Leopard?
Depending on what model of Superdrive you have, there may be a firmware update from the manufacturer, just not from Apple. Updating to the latest firmware from the manufacturer often provides for better media compatibility, faster burn speeds, and sometimes even features that were disabled by Apple's version of the firmware.
DVD-R DL discs have one major drawback if you're using them to burn video DVDs - you have no control over where the layer break is placed. The first layer must always be filled completely before any data is written to the second layer. DVD+R DL does not have this limitation. You can place the layer break anywhere you like, just as long as the first layer is more full than the second.

Outputting a file for dual layer dvd

Hi...is there a setting in Adobe media encoder that automatically caculates your timeline to fit a dual layer DVD? The MPEG DVD output setting automatically shrinks it to 3 gigs, enough to fit a standard DVD. I feel the quality of the file would be better if it was larger and burned to a dual layer.
Thanks

If you're authoring in Encore, you set the Layer Breaks there. You can let Encore find them for you automagically, or you can set your own, or render out your own separate timeline for each layer. Read p.178 of the Encore Help PDF.

Best External dvd burner for dual layer disks?

Hi everyone,
At some point my internal dvd burner in my mac book pro died, and apple replaced it. After that, I couldn't burn a dual layer disk. They've changed it twice more to accomodate me (the genius bar is awesome), but I still only have mediocre results. No problem burning regular dvds or cds. So I wondered is there a REALLy good external burner for DVD-DL that you have experience with? Thanks!

A good bootable multi-interface enclosure (empty) for an external CD/DVD drive will run about US$70.
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/MRSFW8U2RF/
They also sell SATA drives pre-installed in that same enclosure.
Many users find installing an internal drive themselves no more difficult than doing a memory upgrade themselves.
Others prefer not to work inside their computer.
Based on your graphics card and the original drive, I expect your Mac Pro is an older model. All before 2009 accept an ATA INTERNAL drive such as this:
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/superdrive/Mac_Pro_Xeon
That page also has a video of how to install a replacement DVD drive.

Suitable marker break point error for dual layer DVD!

I'm a new FCP user of a few months and DVDSP of one week.
I have read the manual again and again and I am still not sure how to add a suitable break point. I added a chapter marker and set it as a dual layer break point, not sure if that is correct. Quicktime Movie is 5.9 GB, it does everything except burn to DVD in SP. I can burn this movie in IDVD though. Please help me!
Thank you in advance for your help, I appreciate the assistance everyone so willingly gives. Thank you!

Will compressor or Mpeg cause degeneration of picture quality?
If you put it on DVD-Video, you have to convert it to MPEG2 (with either Compressor or by letting DVDSP convert it). It will lose quality as a result. The only way to minimize this is to use as high a bitrate for your MPEG2 file as possible. Compressor has some presets labeled 60 min, 90 min, and 120 min, that will allow movies of that length to fit onto a single-layer DVD.
You should probably re-read the opening chapters of the DVDSP manual; they cover this important and fundamental information relatively well.

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