Reconcile Accounts Based COPA with FI

Dear Experts,
My client needs material wise, customer wise, Sales Area-wise, region wise etc profitability report. The only way to achieve this is through COPA.I have confusion whether to go for Costing based COPA (CBC) or Accounts based COPA (ABC).
I am afraid of CBC because reports from CBC do not automatically reconcile with FI and I will have a life long task of explaining the difference to management. I have seen clients scarpping CBC because at the end CBC works on calculated values which cannot inherently tally with FI and soon management stops trusting CBC. Moreover Gross Profit level figures for each characteristics can be obtained straight from LIS instead of going for CBC.
I am sure that ABC will reconcile with FI. I presume that this will happen ONLY if field status group of all cost and revenue accounts have been configured to mandate posting to PSG. Else even ABC will not reconicle with FI. My question is If I mandate PSG for all cost/revenue posting then I fear that automatic postings coming from MM/HR will go into error. How do we handle this and achieve ABC = FI.
If anyone has come across ABC to FI reconcilation error/issues I would like take their guidance before I move forward.
Regards
Deepak Saxena

Hi..!
You can use either activate Costing Based CO PA nor Accounting Based CO PA.
1.Costing based CO-PA - it will be difficult to reconcile FI with CO PA as lot of time it will take to reconcile.
For this you need to do assessment - settlements and direct postings from FI-MM-SD to CO PA thru PA transfer structure.
You can find the Differences of FI -CO PA in KEAT t-code and based on the you can understand why it is showing difference (If any). This T-code will help you to reconcile.
2.Accounting Based CO-PA it is easy to reconcile and here the reconciliation happens between GL Account and Cost element level. So you wont get many issues while reconciling.
In Costing based CO-PA you can draw a report at COGS Level where as you wont get it in Account Based CO-PA.
Thanks,
Anil

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We have created a Account based COPA datasource but it is not extracting data in RSA3 even though the underlying tables have data in it.
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If the COPA datasource is created using fields from CE4 (segment ) and CE1 (line items ) table then it does not extarct any records and RSA3 gives a time out error..
Also job scheduled from BW side for extracting data goes on for days but does not fetch any data and neither gives any error.
The COPA tables have huge amount of data and so performance could be a issue. But we have also created the indexes on them. Still it is not helping.
Please suggest a solution to this...
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Gaurav

Hi Gaurav
Check this note 392635 ,,might be usefull
Regards
Jagadish
Symptom
The process of selecting the data source (line item, totals table or summarization level) by the extractor is unclear.
More Terms
Extraction, CO-PA, CE3XXXX, CE1XXXX, CE2XXXX, costing-based, account-based,profitability analysis, reporting, BW reporting, extractor, plug-in, COEP,performance, upload, delta method, full update, CO-PAextractor, read, datasource, summarization level, init, DeltaInit, Delta Init Cause and Prerequisites
At the time of the data request from BW, the extractor determines the data source that should be read. In this case, the data source to be used depends on the update mode (full initialization of the deltamethod or delta update), and on the definition of the DataSources (line item characteristics (except for REC_WAERS FIELD) or calculated key figures) and the existing summarization levels.
Solution
The extractor always tries to select the most favorable source, that is,the one with the lowest dataset. The following restrictions apply:
o Only the 'Full' update mode from summarization levels is
supported during extraction from the account-based profitability
analysis up to and including Release PI2001.1. Therefore, you can
only everload individual periods for a controlling area. You can
also use the delta method as of Release PI2001.2. However, the
delta process is only possible as of Release 4.0. The delta method
must still be initialized from a summarization level. The following
delta updates then read line items. In the InfoPackage, you must
continue to select the controlling area as a mandatory field. You
then no longer need to make a selection on individual periods.
However, the period remains a mandatory field for the selection. If
you do not want this, you can proceed as described in note 546238.
o To enable reading from a summarization level, all characteristics
that are to be extracted with the DataSource must also be contained
in this level (entry * in the KEDV maintenance transaction). In
addition, the summarization level must have status 'ACTIVE' (this
also applies to the search function in the maintenance transaction
for CO-PA data sources, KEB0).
o For DataSources of the costing-based profitability analysis,
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data can only be read from a summarization level if no other
characteristics of the line item were selected (the exception here
is the 'record currency' (REC_WAERS) field, which is always
selected).
o An extraction from the object level, that is, from the combination
of tables CE3XXXX/CE4XXXX ('XXXX' is the name of the result area),
is only performed for full updates if (as with summarization
levels) no line item characteristics were selected. During the
initialization of the delta method this is very difficult to do
because of the requirements for a consistent dataset (see below).
o During initialization of the delta method and subsequent delta
update, the data needs to be read up to a defined time. There are
two possible sources for the initialization of the delta method:
- Summarization levels manage the time of the last update/data
reconstruction. If no line item characteristics were selected
and if a suitable, active summarization level (see above)
exists, the DataSource 'inherits' the time information of the
summarization level. However, time information can only be
'inherited' for the delta method of the old logic (time stamp
administration in the profitability analysis). As of PlugIn
Release PI2004.1 (Release 4.0 and higher), a new logic is
available for the delta process (generic delta). For
DataSources with the new logic (converted DataSources or
DataSources recreated as of Plug-In Release PI2004.1), the line
items that appear between the time stamp of the summarization
level and the current time minus the security delta (usually 30
minutes) are also read after the suitable summarization level
is read. The current time minus the security delta is set as
the time stamp.
- The system reads line items If it cannot read from a
summarization level. Since data can continue to be updated
during the extraction, the object level is not a suitable
source because other updates can be made on profitability
segments that were already updated. The system would have to
recalculate these values by reading of line items, which would
result in a considerable extension of the extraction time.
In the case of delta updates, the system always reads from line
items.
o During extraction from line items, the CE4XXXX object table is read
as an additional table for the initialization of the delta method
and full update so that possible realignments can be taken into
account. In principle, the CE4XXXX object table is not read for
delta updates. If a realignment is performed in the OLTP, no
further delta updates are possible as they would make the data
inconsistent between OLTP and BW. In this case, a new
initialization of the delta method is required.
o When the system reads data from the line items, make sure that the
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indexes from note 210219 for both the CE1XXXX (actual data) and
CE2XXXX (planning data) line item tables have been created.
Otherwise, you may encounter long-running selections. For
archiving, appropriate indexes are delivered in the dictionary as
of Release 4.5. These indexes are delivered with the SAP standard
system but still have to be created on the database.

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I am trying to configure Account-based COPA. I did all the configuration and create a report with a form assigned. The account I have posted is a revenue cost element and has profitability segment as an optional field and is updated with segment data.
Since account-based COPA updates only COEP and CE4XXXX tables I am able to see the record being updated in these tables. But when I run KE24 and COPA report both of them yield no results.
Please see attached for the detailed configuration and copa report set up.
Note: I replicated the exact same scenario in another system with same config and also using the same accounts I was able to generate the KE24 and also COPA report. The only difference between these two systems being the database. System where COPA is working is on SQL DB and where it is not is on HANA DB.

Pablo,
My issue was because of HANA Database. So I had run a report called RKE_HDB_EXTEND_COEX which extends the COEP/COEJ tables into HDB. After running this the issue was resolved.
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COS account should be of cost element category '1'.
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Quantity in Account Based COPA upon WBS Settlement

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quantity posted in Delivery document and quantity from billing document are transferred to account based COPA along with GL postings.
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Hello Rama,
First of all, I want to give you with note 352610 some general
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https://service.sap.com/sap/support/notes/352610
https://service.sap.com/sap/support/notes/27922
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