Recording delay

Hey, I was just wondering if anybody wrestles with the recording delay setting in the audio prefs as much as I have to--like every time I fire up logic.
It's stable from project to project, but once I quit logic and start with a fresh launch (after a delicious lunch) I need to do the ol' record-the-click trick through my interface and adjust for it.
Just wondering. In my set up I need to do a negative delay anywhere from -20 to -160.
(In crazy hopes that the driver/application communication would be perfected, I checked out the online manual for Logic 9... and the recording delay preference is still there. boo.)

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I have tried the count to the zero crossing method.
i have tried iS's use the anchor method. I have made sure the levels were the same, and that the pans, etc are equal.
I am totally convienced that there is a flaw in logic. a huge, huge flaw with OSX and the way it gives feedback to the system. I don't know how or why, but FW is bunk on Apple computers.
What do I do to make this click, cancel *** ever you want to call it. how about WORK!!!!
somebody, anybody this is a plead for help.. ichat, ichat video, VNC whatever it takes to get it working. I don't know if I am at fault. I might be, but I need someone else to try on my machine, or at least listen while i do it..
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I gotta say FP, sometimes I find it hard to follow exactly what you're getting at, but usually I can figure it out. I understand that the people posting here come from different cultures, different backgrounds and all may have different ways of using english.
but the one thing I would say is, try and start out your posts with a clearer intro on exactly what it is you're talking about. I knew what you meant cos you've been discussing the recording delay issue in other threads, and as you said it's been a topic here lately. but if you make a bit more of an effort to explain exactly what you're doing and what you've been trying out, you'll get a lot more users able to jump right in and offer advice.
sometimes I open threads here, and when there's just a sort of confused question followed by a lot of ranting about how it doesn't work but it should and therefore it's all a load of sh*t, I just think forget it.. too much hard work. I'm not at all saying that your posts are like this, but sometimes it takes a bit more effort than it should to understand where you're coming from.
I'm only saying this to help you out, you post here frequently and it's obvious you do a lot of work and are running a pretty serious logic setup.. so I'm more than happy to get in there and help you figure things out when I can.
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so i set audio recoding delay 2550 samples but
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that motif wave which i record already using 2550 samples .........is not in proper position it just delayed .....i dont know why its happens ........if i set 0 delay it just come front and starts before the bar .......... i dont know why its happens
i need to know the anser urgent please help
( i uninstalled my avid driver ( 003 Digi Rack ) twise but there is no use
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Fairy ...

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Hi
I use a Focusrite Saffire LE audio interface, and in my core audio window the buffer size is currently set at 256 and there is a recording delay of 28ms. I don't think I've ever altered these settings since I started to use Logic. I don't know if this is related, but I do notice a slight delay when I monitor what I'm recording -- a slight delay, for example, between my voice (as I'm recording it) through the headphones and my "direct" voice.
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256 samples Buffer size will always give you a noticable amount of latency. If you use Software Monitoring you should try setting your Buffer to 64 samples. With the recording delay slider in the preferences->Audio you can compensate for the latency (of course not in realtime) so that the Audio will be placed exactly there, where it should hae been recorded at. In your case set it to a -value. A loopback test (check the link below) will clarify the exact amount of Latency occuring on your system.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1883662&tstart=0

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so yesterday i recorded vox and acoustic gtr totally fine. then i went to add bass today and i get a huge recording lag in placement of recorded audio. what changed this? everythings been stable for months. do i really have to go through all this recording delay calculation trouble just to have it work right again? seems totally ridiculous.
cory

Did anything at all change between yesterday and today? Did you add any latency inducing plug-ins (or are you using any currently)?
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Yeah, when I noticed this I was tracking an electric guitar while monitoring through GuitarRig. I'm going to see what happens by turning off PDC. I never thought of that until you mentioned plug-in's. Thanks!

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Recently I upgraded my interface from a MOTU 828MKII, to a Metric Halo 2882. I also upgraded from Logic 8 to 9. The problem is, I did this in the middle of a project. This project was/is just a test of a whole new upgrade to my home studio including some preamps/mics/interface/acoustic treatment/etc. Up to this point I mainly recorded my own stuff (5yrs), no big deal. But I'm thinking of moving this into a part time gig. So I asked a some friends if they'd be interested in free recording as guinea pigs.
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Thanks very much; I'm still perplexed though. You're right, the "mono->stereo" plug-ins yield stereo effects for the guitar; but I'm referring to the pre-assembled "sets" of plug-ins that are accessed by clicking on the word "inserts" (above the various slots for plug-ins). When you click on this word, all sorts of effects-sets are offered: for drums, vocals, pianos, guitars, etc. I'm referring to one for "electric guitar" (under "distorted guitar") called "Angus on SG + MS 1959" (though this is true of the other effects in this same category for electric guitar). Here's why things don't make sense to me: 1) since this effects-set ("Angus...") works just fine if it's applied AFTER I've recorded the guitar dry, why should it NOT work when I'm recording with the effect? I.e., I don't need a special double guitar plug for my Firepod for the effect to work on the signal it HAS recorded; so why should the special double plug be necessary WHILE recording? Meanwhile, 2) given that this is a GUITAR effect (Angus Young playing his Gibson SG through a 1959 Marshall Stack), and guitars always have mono output, then how can it be that Logic, by design, should require users to buy a special stereo plug when using effect-sets specifically designed for guitar? .... That's why I'm perplexed. I do think your two suggestions will work; but it just seems impossible to me that Logic is actually designed to work in this way -- at least not on purpose. On the other hand, I'm a newbie, and I may be missing something that's obvious. Sure would appreciate hearing whether it seems to people that there's a problem with my set-up (or with Logic), or whether the physical stereo-plug solution is actually a well-known practice that I am simply not familiar with. Many thanks!
You have recorded only one chanel on a stereo track.
Use a second input on your firepod or use mono ->
stereo plugins on a mono track to hear them in stereo.
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Otakar,
I'll try to explain what's going on as briefly as possible, and then get to your situation, "I have a feeling that I'm doing something wrong because I cannot find anything to measure.
If your audio card has something called "hardware monitoring", to be very basic about it, it would sort of like a wire jumpering the audio input to the audio output. This would let you instantly hear -- from the output -- whatever's coming into the input.
But you don't have hardware monitoring on your audio card. Most of us don't. But what we do have is software monitoring. Think about this: the very word "software" implies that the computer has to do something (run a process, execute instructions, etc.) in order to pass incoming audio to an output so you can monitor it.
Now, in general, a computer can only do one thing at a time. Think about this... as you're recording audio in Logic, the computer also has to perform thousands of other functions: the screen has to update to reflect the position of the SPL in the Arrange window, the waveform of the audio you're recording has to be calculated and displayed, the numbers in the measure/beats counter have to increment, and so on. And all this time it has to keep recording audio and not miss a single sample of it.
And if you have software monitoring switched on, well, there's yet one more thing the computer has to do. So to break it down, audio comes in to your interface. The computer records the audio as samples. But in order to provide provide monitoring, the computer has to "read" the samples all over again -- AFTER it's been recorded -- and then send it to one of the outputs of your audio interface so you can monitor it.
Now of course, it seems like the computer is doing all these things at once, but really, it's not. It carries out instructions to do these things one step at a time, at blindlingly fast speed so you think it's doing more than one thing at a time!
For reasons I won't get into, the process or recording the audio samples takes priority over everything else, especially when it has to record 44,100 or 48,000 samples every second! Re-reading the audio and passing it back to an output -- software monitoring -- is one of the processes that takes a back seat in the overall "order of operations". This means that when software monitoring is on, it's going to be delayed because it doesn't have the highest priority in the list of instructions.
This is what causes latency.
And "latency" is just a fancy word for "delay".
So you're always going to have some amount of latency when dealing with a software monitoring situation. The actual amount is determined by the buffer size setting. You want to set this to the smallest possible number that allows audio recording and playback (plus plug-in performance) to be happen flawlessly. And the amount of latency is directly proportional to how large or small you set this number.
If you need, say, a buffer size of 128 to get your system to function properly, the downside is that your software monitoring latency may be unacceptably high. But if you lower the buffer size to, say, 64, your system might not play back (or even record) audio properly.
The only way around this is to use a hardware mixer for monitoring.
FINALLY... to your situation: if you're getting silence when you put the original and re-recorded click out-of-phase with one another, your recording delay setting is correct!!!
Hope this helps.
-=iS=-
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