Recording to external hard drives - Firewire 800 problems

Ok so i did post a similar thread on this in the "mac mini" part of the website so im very sorry for double posting but I thought since this problems pertains mostly to recording and specifically recording on garageband, that I would try posting here as well. Heres my deal:
I am a musician working with garageband and I have always been recording to my internal drive until recently. I was unaware until I read some posts here from the good people like you guys, that that is not a good idea to record to your internal drive. So, I got an external firewire 800 drive (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DGZ05A) and this cable (http://www.amazon.com/2M-Firewire-800-9PIN-Cable/dp/B000XQILWK/ref=pdbxgy_e_imgb). When I received it, I first used disk utility and reformatted it for Mac OS Extended Journaled. Then I proceeded to move a couple sample libraries and my entire "Garageband" folder (with my saved songs in it) to the external. I instantly knew something was wrong. The files were taking forever to get written over. It took about 15 mins for a 5GB folder to be moved over. I was already discouraged. Anyway, I plugged in the USB cable that came with the external (the drive has hook ups for both USB 2 and firewire 400/800) and tried moving the same files and it was MUCH faster. The same 5GB file was moved over in a matter of minutes.
I then tried recording to the drive (using firewire again) and it would hardly even PLAY the song without stopping every couple seconds (too many effects error, and yes ALL the tracks were locked). Tried to record as well and i'd get even less time before garageband would stop the song with the same error. So I disconnected firewire and went USB. Thru USB the song didnt stop once, not on playback OR recording. Then I moved the songs back to my internal and played them (and recorded) with no problem either.
I ran a couple tests on the drive using AJA system test and came back with these results:
Basic test of read/write speed using firewire 800:
write - 14/mb sec
read - 21/mb sec
then, using usb 2.0
write - 18/mb sec
read - 37/mb sec
both these connections seemed to be running slower then they should ..but at least the USB connection would actually let me play a song and record to it without stopping
I manually copied over a 2.04GB file and via firewire 800 connection it took 2 mins and 20 secs. Via the USB 2 connection it was 55 seconds! ..also, while i transfered the files i noticed that the USB transfer was nice and steady with tiny increments of the file being transferred. Firewire, however, was speedy then slow, speedy then slow. Very inconsistant transfer speed throughout the process. kind of choppy
So what gives? I cant figure out if I'm doing something wrong, or if my external HD is bad? Or the cable is bad? Or maybe the firewire port on my mac mini is bad (i've never used it before for anything other than this external drive). Or i'm thinking maybe my processor isnt strong/fast enough to record to the external firewire drive? Im working with a mac mini 120GB internal HD and the 2ghz intel core 2 duo with only 2GB ram (i know thats not ideal for recording and im planning to upgrade at some point, but i have been recording to the internal just fine with the RAM i have now and never had a problem until trying to record to the firewire drive). I was going to go out today and get a new cable and see if that was the cause of it. Anyway sorry for the book-length post! But PLEASE SOMEBODY help me here! ..as i said, im not very computer literate and only just started producing music using computers so please use dummy terms lol ..thanks in advance

Strictly my opinion, and more than happy to be educated with facts and convinced otherwise... but, there are no dangers.
Bottom line is this... does your specific computer setup encounter ANY problems during recording or editing with your chosen software and current workflow? If not, then there is nothing wrong. Simple as that. Further, if you are having problems, then its more than likely dealt with by upgrading RAM amount and internal HDD speed and size. If you have a slightly older machine that is pre FW800, you will find by bench marking your HDD's that an upgraded internal system HDD will significantly outperform any external HDD read/write spec's. Even with FW800, comparing apples with apples, your system HDD will more than likely have better spec's. Please however, do not take my word for this, but try it out for yourself. Make sure you have facts about your own system rather than believing my claims or anyone else's claims. I used Intech's Quickbench http://www.speedtools.com/QuickBench.html to get some facts about my machine.
There will be an argument made that you will be putting strain on your hard drive by recording to the system drive because it not only has to deal with this function but also with other functions related to your audio programs and OS. Apparently you may be working it on the 'hard' side and shorten its life span. Probably technically correct but practically speaking you will more than likely never even notice any such strain. If you are worried about a system HDD crash or death because you are working it too hard then the answer to this is a well planned back up regime. You should have one anyway, regardless of setup.

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    I had my itunes music folder on it, and when i connected my shuffle and tried to transfer songs, itunes would usually freeze. so i transferred all the songs onto my ibook instead and it works fine as long as the external drive isn't connected, BUT get this: if i have the harddrive connected to my ibook, itunes will freeze when i try to transfer tunes from my ibook to my shuffle. i don't get it. unless my ibook is confusing the two drives? sorry, i don't know much about this. i've tried reinstalling itunes and i have the latest version. i've also reformatted my shuffle. but no luck.
    any ideas???
    thanks!
    David.

    Nick,
    I am by no means an iTunes guru and I haven't come across this problem myself.....but this is what I would try.
    Select all of the songs in your iTunes library and delete them from the library only.
    File > Add Folder to Library > browse to your folder on your external and hit OK
    I have to do this every time I add new songs to my MP3 folder, as iTunes can't figure out that most of these songs already exist in the library. It then decides to make multiple instances of the same song and therefore showing that I have tons of duplicate songs.
    If you need this for transferring your music to your iPod, then by all means more power to you.
    If you are doing this to play your music only, then I strongly suggest looking into purchasing a different music player. I personally use Musicmatch Jukebox for several reasons;
    1. It allows the user to sort thier music library in MANY different ways using various criteria (not just one option to sort music).
    2. It allows for many more fields for your ID3 meta tags, so you can have featured artists shown on compilation CD's.
    3. It's been around for a LONG time and incorporates the feedback they receive from the customers.
    4. You now have the option to buy it with all future updates in one price.
    Hope that this helps you out....
    Cheers
      Windows XP  

  • If you use external hard drives and have problems, read this

    My setup is :
    Power Book G4 running Mac OS X 10.4.10, with the latest version of iTunes.
    Since I have a huge amount of music, that I have aquired during the past 25 years, I was very excited, when finally an iPod with a decent HD was released.
    As you know, 70,000+ songs will not fit on your internal HD in a Power Book, so I had to move my music collection to two external Firewire HDs.
    Synching a subset of my 'overall collection' to my good old G3 iPod has never been an issue.... that was, until I hooked up my 160 GB iPod classic for the first time...
    I ran into all kinds of issues, especially, when synching a huge amount of songs at one time (i.e. 26,000 songs and more).
    The data on the iPod would be incomplete or corrupted, once the Synch was completed.
    The iTunes helpdesk was clueless and had me restore my iPod, even after I have told them several times, that I have done this before (many times) and that this definitely was not the issue.
    As mentioned in other threads, iTunes is unbearably slow, once a 160 GB iPod classic is connected. And as it turns out, the problem occures when transferring songs through this VERY slow application, from the firewire drives, to the iPod which is connected through USB. After a certain amount of songs, iTunes starts 'stuttering' (if I have to look at the 'spinning wheel' for another 15 minutes, I will lose my mind) and somehow the data transfer between iTunes and the iPod gets corrupted.
    Hence, once the Sync is finally completed (we are talking about 5 hours), the iPod is no longer able to play any songs, and all that can be done, is resetting the iPod again and start from scratch.
    How Apple missed this, during their beta testing, is beyond me. They probably only used the latest intel processors on their fastest machines.
    So if you run into similar issues, and if you have a similar setup, you might want to start synching small batches of songs.
    I hope, a fine tuned iTunes version will be released soon.

    When I first experienced this problem it appeared as though everything was transferring correctly. The progress dialogue showed that I was transferring a few thousand songs and then stop. When I looked at the ipod it showed only a few hundred (if that) had been transferred. This was about a year ago that I had this problem.
    I think what is happening is that the software is setting up the transfer but not actually transferring the files until the very end. Seems weird I know, but the problem was consistent. It only happened when I had the setting to transfer the album art selected.
    Apple was no help. But when I plugged the sync cable directly into the computer everything worked fine. I would think that a good powered hub would work as well as being plugged directly into the computer, or at least using the outlets on the back of my Apple display, but that is not the case.
    I don't know what to suggest about USB 1. Before USB 2, Apple used firewire with all of their ipods because USB was sooo slow. When USB caught up (or close enough) they changed the interface.
    You might try unselecting the option to sync album art. I know that the new interface looks pretty ugly without it, but at least you would have your music.

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