Recording with Logic and Mackie Onyx?

Has anyone an opinion about how well these
new
Mackie Onyx mixers w/ the Firewire Card
perform working with Logic Pro 7?
Specifically in terms of tracking
16 live channels simultaneously and getting
low latency as well as tracking out thru Logic
and the Mackie Onyx to a standalone CD-R for
mixdown/mastering?

It was my understanding that the audio which passes through the firwire pipe (in or out) does not carry the channel strip information with it.
this means that for tracking, your EQ settings will be for reference only. and you will have to use logic to EQ your work, and be careful on the way back in for CD burning not to double EQ your work.
Seems like a great idea, but has a number of drawbacks.
why not get a presonus or similar interface with many inputs, and then distribute the control room signal with something like a big knob?
seems like a simpler, more direct and ultimately "higher fidelity" solution.
imbmo anyhow...

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First time recording live with logic and makie onyx

this week i am due to record my band live for the first time. i am running logic on a power book with external lacie 250gig. and will require 16 channels.
here is the problem, after channel 12 the input selector goes back to one even though i have 16 audio channels, and i can clearly see 13-24 but they are dull so i cannot select them?
how do i increase the amount of input options?
best
justin

Hi Justin,
Unfortunately, LE7 is limited to 12 simultaneous inputs. Logic Pro is unlimited.

I am recording with Logic Pro X, using my Yamaha XS8 keyboard as a Midi controller. I also have a Thunderbolt Display. Every time I play and release a note on the keyboard, the Thunderbolt Display speaker emits a doink sound. How do I get it to stop?

I am recording with Logic Pro X, using my Yamaha XS8 keyboard as a Midi controller. I also have a Thunderbolt Display. Every time I play and release a note on the keyboard, the Thunderbolt Display speaker emits a doink sound. What is causing it and how do I get it to stop? My sound is running through the Saffire Pro 40 Interface (Focusrite) into external speakers with powered amps.
Also, When I record I am hearing little pops in the system. I have checked all of my meters and they are not clipping. What is causing it and how do I get it to stop?
Ken

MUYconfundido wrote:
Pancenter,
Thanks for the response, but I do not have a midi interface. I am using a midi to usb connector cable, thus bypassing the need for a Midi interface.
The Mac reads the USB cable as a midi device, but not the keyboard that I am trying to use as a controller. I have tried it with my korg sp 300 and with my Nord Electro 2.
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Tristan
Tristan...
This is what you have, correct?
http://www.alesis.com/usbmidicable
This from Alesis..
"The AudioLink Series USB cable receives and outputs MIDI signal thanks to its internal interface. The USB-MIDI Cable connects plug-and-play to your Mac or PC for an all-in-one USB-MIDI solution."
Notice, -internal interface-. What you have is a simple USB MIDI Interface. Most MIDI interfaces are USB.
My point is (was), MIDI OUT of the Korg goes to the connector marked MIDI IN on the Alesis, those new to MIDI often get this wrong.
pancenter-

Noob needs help with Logic and Motu live setup.

Hello everyone,
I'm a noob / semi noob who could use some help with a live setup using 2 MOTU 896HD's and Logic on a Mac.
Here's the scenario:
I teach an outdoor marching percussion section (a drumline and a front ensemble of marimbas and vibes). We have an amazing setup of live sound to amplify and enhance the mallet percussion. There is a yamaha PA system with 2 subs and 2 mains which are routed through a rack unit that processes the overall PA balance. I'm pretty sure that the unit is supposed to avoid feedback and do an overall cross-over EQ of the sound. Other then that unit, we have 2 motu896hd units which are routed via fire-wire. I also have a coax cable routing the output of the secondary box to the input of the primary box (digital i/o which converts to ADAT in (i think?)..?
Here's the confusion:
There are more then 8 inputs being used from the ensemble itself, so I need the 16 available inputs to be available in Logic. I was lead to believe that the 2nd motu unit would have to be sent digitally to the 1st motu unit via coax digital i/o. Once in Logic, however, I cannot find the signal or any input at all past the 8th input (of the 1st unit).
Here's the goal:
All of my performers and inputs routed via firewire into a Mac Mini running OSX and Logic pro.
I want to be able to use MainStage and run different patches of effects / virt. instruments for a midi controller keyboard / etc.
I want to be able to EQ and balance the ensemble via Logic.
Here's another question:
How much latency will I be dealing with? Would a mac mini with 4gb of ram be able to handle this load? With percussion, I obviously want the sound as latency free as possible. I also, however, want the flexibility of sound enhancement / modification that comes with Logic and the motu896hd units.
Any help would be REALLY appreciated. I need the routing assistance along with some direction as to whether or not this will work for this type of application. I'm pretty certain it does, as I have spoken with some other teachers in similar venues and they have been doing similar things using mac mini's / logic / mainstage / etc.
Thanks in advance,
Chris

You'll definitely want to read the manual to make sure the 896HDs are connected together properly. ADAT is a little tricky, it's not just a matter of cabling them together. Go to motunation.com if you need more guidance on connecting multiple devices. Beyond that initial hookup, here are a couple of quick suggestions:
1. Open CueMix and see if both devices are reported there. If not, your connections aren't correct. Be sure to select 44.1kHz as your sample rate, otherwise you are reducing the number of additional channels. For instance at 88.2kHz you would get half the additional channels via ADAT.
2. You may need to create an aggregate device for the MacBook to recognize more than the first 896HD. Lots of help on this forum for how to do that. Again, first make sure you have the 896HDs connected together properly.
3. As for latency with Mainstage on the Mini, no way to know until you try it. Generally MOTU is fantastic for low latency work but Mainstage is a question mark for a lot of users right now. If the Mini can't cut the mustard, you have a great excuse to upgrade to a MacBook Pro.

Firewire disconnects using motu 828 mkii and Mackie ONYX 1620i. Why?

Having replaced my trusted MOTU 828 mkii as it kept disconnecting itself and needed rebooting including removal and replacement of the firewire lead, I have encounted the very same problem with the Mackie ONYX 1620i.
Interestingly it happened recently when I powered up a guitar amp in the same room the other day so I called my electrician friend to check out all the power outlets/sockets on the studio main. His comments were "no issues".
- As there are no other gemlins associated to the power I put it down as coincidence but had to rule it out.
I have tried a multiple of firewire leads and had the same results.
The only firewire device that seems ok is a Behringer FCA 202!!!! (Embarrasing!) - I use this for stereo output only (to the same active monitors) and swap FW lead and Output Jacks when using each device.
This is with Macbook Pro (2010), Logic Studio 9, iTunes, etc. (all purchased products and same problem with ALL audio software).
Using Lion but was an issue with previous OSX.
Certainly a head scratcher.
Anyone had any similar issues?

That's interesting. Thanks Benjy.
Please be sure to update here if you do encounter anything similar.
I cannot afford to replace my 'live' desk as well as another soundcard.
Plus, I really don't think I should have to - Mackie and MOTU are established and reputable device manufacturers and this seems to be an Apple issue.
Apple?
Anyone else sncountered similar and found a resolution after advice from apple?

What's wrong with Logic and Soundtrack Pro

Just spent a frustrating day trying to record with Soundtrack Pro and Logic
Soundtrack is working on and off
Problems:
1. Even if sounds are loaded in the multitrack editor, no sound when playing. Only the Solo (S) button make a track sound. No idea what's wrong?
2. Trying to record directly into a multitrack sometimes works, and sometimes not.
3. When making another attempt to record, the noise of death appeared (same as the long thread on Logic.
Finally I just recorded in Amadeus Pro. At least that software works. It just crazy. Look I accept there is a learning curve but this s just crazy
Apple is becoming an arrogant company that is becoming more interested in creating gadgets that providing tools that work
Sorry for the rant

BenB wrote:
I've worked on both Windows and OS X (Unix), with a few apps over the years. No one can possible work with every app on every hardware configuration possible on every OS available. So to make the statement you actually have is preposterous.
That said, Logic is the most used software in project studios. Mixing engineers like ProTools better. But the two have way more market share than anything else.
Hey Ben,
Sorry to bump your fanboy applecart... (don't mean that as derogatory as it may sound, I liked the play on words)
From everything that's happening here and the west coast (USA) many of the Logic users I know have switched to other software, the two Logic studios here have gone to ProTools mainly because Logic version 8 was so unstable, there are no more Logic studios here. The studio with the most business uses a Radar system, the second busiest studio is running Sonar. There is a fellow with a mobile system using a MBP and Logic but he uses version 7.
The University here took bids 3 years ago and opted for PC/Nuendo/RME setups.
So yes, Logic may indeed have the most project studio percentage but since every jerk can download it for free what is the quality coming out of these project studios? My point is, for professionals, Logic is becoming less and less of an option, most everyone that used it professionally has been disappointed in Apples support of the product, a long time between upgrades and except for user boards like this... literally zero professional support. You know there's problems when you call up Apple and know far more about Logic than the support staff. It seems like both of those are starting to improve but I think it's a little too late. Also... there's still the "blast of white noise" problem that hasn't been addressed, no professional studio can take that kind of chance.
Apple is using Logic to sell hardware, smart business, absolutely. However, cutting the price in half, removing the copy protection and throwing in the kitchen sink plus seemingly not giving a d@mn that the program is pirated leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.
pancenter-

Can I make professional sounding recording with Logic in an untreated room?

I have a small bedroom-recording studio. Since starting with Logic over a year ago I have been amazed at how much you can really do with this program. I would really like to start producing my songs at level that competes with the sound quality of what most people purchase on Itunes and professional albums. However, I don't have the space or money to record and mix in an acoustically treated room. It's my little 10x12 bedroom in California after all, and I also have to keep everything else I own in the same space.
Some people argue that an acoustically treated room is the most important thing in getting a truly great sounding record, BUT my question/argument is that IT IS possible to get a pro recording without elaborate foam set-ups and bass traps, etc. Here are my thoughts and please feel free to agree or disagree and prove me wrong—also note, I am NOT talking about mastering, just getting quality recordings and mixes before the mastering stage (that I would pay a pro to take care of anyway).
I have good monitors for my setup (Event ASP6s and have had a few professional recording artists I know comment on how good they sound). I listen to music all the time on these speakers and know them very well. When I record my own music I frequently A/B my recordings (as I am recording AND mixing) with music from CDs to match the sound quality. I focus on both total recordings and specific instruments when doing this A/B strategy. I also mix at low volume levels.
My thinking is this: If I'm able match (or at least come close to matching) the sound of my instruments and mixes to a commercial recording using my speakers and Logic, then the room should not matter. The speakers are reflecting the sound of a pro recording, regardless of how the room is treated, and I am in turn emulating this sound with my own music. Thus, my music should translate well on other systems, as the pro recordings obviously would do so.
I realize that quality mics, preamps, mixing skills etc. are important for creating a professional, accurate sounding project as well, but the fact that I am unable to record in a properly treated room has always bothered me and I’m not going to be able to change this situation any time soon.
I’m curious about everyone’s opinion on this. This is a great forum and there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. This is the age of the “Home Studio” and most people with home studios don’t have quality rooms, so this is an important subject. Thanks for any feedback.

Jack, I'm in a similar boat here in Seattle. I just finished recording and mixing a few songs for demo'ing purposes and was pretty happy with what I achieved, but let's just say there was a lot of learning involved with the process.
In my limited experience, when you're working in a small untreated boxy room, you're fighting a different big problem at each stage of the recording process. When you're recording, you have to deal with comb filtering and flutter echoes (if you're recording mic'd acoustic instruments), and when mixing room modes and bass-response issues. There are various ways of addressing flutter echo, which boil down to creatively using dispersion and absorption techniques and playing around with mic placement. If you close-mic everything, you can get rid of some but not all flutter problems, but then you have to wrestle with having an exaggerated low end on all of your tracks, and you lose a lot of the open, airy quality of the instruments you're recording.
My "studio" has a couple of large bookcases along one wall, so I typically recorded the guitar in M-S stereo facing the bookcases (to get some dispersion) and set up a couple of homebrewed O-C 703 panels a few feet to each side to kill off the echoes. I also set a panel up on the wall behind me to further dampen things. It seemed to work pretty well. Mixing was a whole 'nother matter. No matter how much I A/B'd I did a bunch of mixes that wound up sounding truly awful when trialled on other systems. I went through a lot of CD-R's before finally winding up with something that wasn't actively cringeworthy (at least in terms of audio quality).
Since your setup is based on an MBP and a portable FW interface, one thing you might try is recording acoustic instruments in a larger room elsewhere in your apartment, or maybe at a friend's. Or maybe rent / borrow a church for a day.
Hope this helps,
Trent

Recording with Logic Studio

I've been reading post here trying to decide what to replace my current system with. Up until recently I've been running Logic Studio on a G4 powermac dual 1.25 with 2 gigs of ram. Logic on the main 120 drive. My tracks/files etc. on a secondary internal 120gig HD.
I record one audio track at a time.
A completed song on average consists of about 12 to no more than 24 tracks. Most of which are audio with plug-ins. often a track perhaps two with software instrument. Usually all audio tracks.
My question is wouldn't the white Macbook 2ghz core duo with 4 gigs of ram be able to run Logic with little or no problem. Let's say I record my tracks to an external 7200rpm HD, using Apogee's Duet as an interface? I know there is only 1 firewire port. Could I piggyback somehow?
Would recording to the 5400rpm drive really be that bad? I use to record audio on an original iMac 233mhz with a 5400 HD granted that was sometime ago and it was not using Logic.
I must say I have been looking at Macbook Pro, but like many others... I'm not sure I'm willing to bite the bullet. I know one should buy as much computer as they can... I think I would rather get another desktop at those prices.
I would like the mobility to record wherever and whenever I want to, keeping things as simple as possible. Within budget of course... I'm just wondering if the macbook would work for me.

After loading some completed songs which consisted of about 20 tracks (mostly audio/1 software instrument).. Logic worked beautifully. I had a real hard time mixing on my G4 desktop. With the plug-ins and amount of tracks the G4 Dual 1.25 was choking. "disk not fast enough, error.. yatta yatta.." The dual processors where simply being maxed out. The Macbook Pro 2.6ghz was using about a third of its power. A much more pleasant experience the the Macbook Pro and the Apogee duet.
With my apartment being my studio... not being tied to the desktop in wonderful. I can now record/work in any room.
Yes it is the same version of Logic Studio (Logic 8) I used on my desktop G4. Allowed 2 installs one desktop/one laptop with Logic. Didn't have to intall LE7. Simple put in the serial # when prompted. Took a few hours to load all the content from the Studio package.
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Do i need interface to record in logic and what brand is recommended if yes

i have a macbook 13 incher, i have an old mbox2 interface but i know i need a new one, wondering if there were apple compatible ones that were better than others? also if it is recommended that i use an interface with logic. what are some good brands or ones you enjoy that work?

Hi,
welcome!
What type of interface you need depends on what you want to do. In general, for home recording, a 2 channel interface, maybe with MIDI in/out, is sufficient. Good brands are, for example, Presonus, MOTU and Apogee. Most Logic user that use the Apogee Duet like it very much because of it's superior sound quality. The old rule is true, also: You (usually) get what you pay for. So don't expect too much out of a 100$ interface that has many features. It probably will also feature hissy preamps and buggy MIDI.
I have worked with cheap interfaces, though, and they can be usable, nevertheless. I have an Alesis I/O 2, and it works okay. Also my Tascam Fireone is nice, although the preamps lack some quality. I have worked with an Edirol UA-25EX, too, and like it very much. But the next time i buy an interface, it will definitely be a MOTU or the Apogee Duet.
Fox

Best all-purpose condensor mic for recording with Logic

Hey everyone,
I'm just about ready to purchase Logic Pro and a MOTU Traveler and I am on the prowel for the best all-purpose condensor mic to record with ($500-650 is my budget).
I would like to be able to record vocals, acoustic and electric guitar, primarily. Does anyone have suggestions? Thank you.

it's going to be hard to find a good mic that is well suited to all 3 of those applications. Sure you can find stuff that will "work" on anything, and for that I would definately look at the Rode mics. But if you are willing to save up a bit more I would highly recommend the following:
Rode NTK for vocals
Peluso CMEC-6 small diaphragm condensers (about $580 for a matched pair) - these are amazing acoustic gtr, drum overheads, etc. mics. Also, I've used them for electric guitar cabinets and they sound great there too.
SM57 for electric guitar
These 4 mics will give you a lot of options. For instance:
vocal/acoustic gutiar together (NTK and Pelusos)
Electric guitar (SM 57 on speaker cone with either a Peluso a few inches away from the speaker or NTK a couple of feet away for body)
Drums (NTK a couple of feet off of kit, Pelusos as overheads, 57 on snare, which would actually give you a really great drum sound in a good room with a good kit)
Obviously this is almost twice your budget. You could start out with the NTK if the vocals are most important to you, or the pelusos if acoustic gtr is most important, and add on the other mics later. The 57 is super cheap and really needs to be in anyone's mic locker. I also recommend an old Shure 545 which is the predecessor to the 57. You can find them on ebay for under $50 (make sure that you get the low-z version with XLR connector, not the high-z with 1/4" connector) and they sound like a 57 but a bit warmer and smoother. They are really great electric guitar mics.

How to record with vocals and guitar live?

i really want to record a track/song live, with my guitar, instead of recording it beforehand, and then trying to sing over the chords. so please help me out !!!!

I think he knows why he can't do it... didn't you mean "if you don't know how to do this..."?

Filter records with month and date

Hi,
i have records as follows in the table.
custno trn_dt amount
1 01-jan-06 100
1 10-jan-06 200 --->
1 15-feb-06 300
2 15-dec-06 111
2 15-jan-06 222 --->
2 01-fen-06 333
If i specify the runtime parameter as JAN-06 the output of the report should be with 2 records indicated with arrows above.
the query should pick up the record with the highest date for a specific customer.
in the above example for customer "1" 10-jan-06 is highest date and for customer "2" 15-jan-06 is the highest date.
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Recording with Quicktime and adding effect

Hi all. I am recording Firewire video in Quicktime Player. The audio comes from a seperate source, through the line-in. To synchronize, I need to delay the audio by 600 ms. Does anyone have a method of doing so? I have an AU delay that would work. I just can't figure out how to apply it to the live lin-in.
Thanks very much for any help.
Jeremy

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I succeeded to some degree, by doing this:
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2. In GarageBand, I created a real instrument.
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Has anyone used the Software Instruments in GB to play live, while recording the Software Instruments direct and live (Real Instruments) as well?
I'm thinking about getting a FirePod or similar, to record my band live using several mics and playing and recording Software Instruments all at once. I'm concerned that this set up might have too much latency and make the Software Instruments not playable with my band live, and perhaps all this might make my iMac G5 bog down.
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iMac G5 20" Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Hey Hang,
Sorry if I'm talking in circles. That post was early!
I'd like to be able to use the built-in Software Instruments live and record that MIDI as well as the live tracks at the same time. However, I could deal with using my own keyboards for the live sounds and just record the MIDI from them while recording the live tracks too, if that makes the system work. For instance, if the part I wanted was a piano, and the Software Instrument piano used too much processor power, I could "record" with a smaller instrument that wasn't such a hog. Then, in mixing, I'd use the Software Instrument I wanted for the keyboard part. Live, my real keyboard could provide the piano for all to hear.
Am I making sense yet?
I suppose one thing I could do is something I was thinking of doing already. I could get one of the $40 MIDI-to-USB interfaces to record with the band. Right now, I'm just using a stereo mic set up to record stereo into GB. I could add MIDI and see what happens. Heck, I could enable 6 more real instrument tracks at the same time and see what happens! Then I would know it was possible on the iMac at least.

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