Recover and big online redo

Hi,
Oracle 11.2.0.2
I have a database with big online redo log
I do a RMAN backup every night
I have a problem to do a PITR
if I have to restore to today à 10:38
I have'nt the archive, the last archive is at 2:00
What I have to do to restore the database at 10:38 ?
is it possible to RMAN to use the online redo log ?
Thanks in advance

tconstant wrote:
Hi,
Oracle 11.2.0.2
I have a database with big online redo log
I do a RMAN backup every night
I have a problem to do a PITR
if I have to restore to today à 10:38
I have'nt the archive, the last archive is at 2:00
What I have to do to restore the database at 10:38 ?
is it possible to RMAN to use the online redo log ?
Thanks in advanceWhy you use a "big online redo log file"?
Sure you can use online redo log file during recovery and provide the name when the recovery process askes you the next (last) archived redo log file. Why don't you test it? Create a database in archivelog mode, take backup, switch some log files, then insert some data to the database to fill the current redo log file, take the current time and perform incomplete recovery to the taken time. At last, you will be asked to provide the archived redo log file, provide the current redo log file and you'll see how Oracle applies the changes from the redo log file
Kamran Agayev A.
Oracle ACE
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Abot loss online Redo log group

Hi,
Is there different from recovering between loss CURRENT online redo log group and ACTIVE online redo log group?
Both of them are needed to incomplete recovery, right?

For CURRENT redolog recovery:
startup mount
recover database until cancel;
alter database open resetlogs;
For ACTIVE redolog recovery:
If the database is still running, force a checkpoint by issuing the following command:
alter system checkpoint;
If above was successful and if the lost group has been archived then issue:
alter database clear logfile group <number of the online redo log group>;
And if the lost group has NOT been archived then issue:
alter database clear logfile unarchived group <number of the online redo log group>;
alter database open;
If the database is not running (crashed) then
startup mount
recover database until cancel;
alter database open resetlogs;
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Online Redo logs instead of Standby Redo logs

RDBMS Version: 11.2.0.3/Platform : RHEL 6.3
To migrate a 3TB Database to a new DB server , we are going to use RMAN DUPLICATE.
Step1. Take full backup of DB + Standby Control file at primary site and transfer the Bkp files to Standby site
Step2. At standy site, we will run the RMAN duplicate target database for standby
After the above step, we don't want to create the standby redo logs because the newly restored DB in standby server is going to be the new Prod DB which application will be pointing to.
So, Can I skip the Standby Redo log creation part and create Online redo logs instead ?
As mentioned earlier, Our objective is not to create a proper Dataguard Standby DB setup. We just want to clone our DB to another server using RMAN Duplicate.

Tom wrote:
RDBMS Version: 11.2.0.3/Platform : RHEL 6.3
To migrate a 3TB Database to a new DB server , we are going to use RMAN DUPLICATE.
Step1. Take full backup of DB + Standby Control file at primary site and transfer the Bkp files to Standby site
Step2. At standy site, we will run the RMAN duplicate target database for standby
After the above step, we don't want to create the standby redo logs because the newly restored DB in standby server is going to be the new Prod DB which application will be pointing to.
So, Can I skip the Standby Redo log creation part and create Online redo logs instead ?
As mentioned earlier, Our objective is not to create a proper Dataguard Standby DB setup. We just want to clone our DB to another server using RMAN Duplicate.
Hi,
Take full backup of DB + Standby Control
We just want to clone our DB to another server using RMAN Duplicate
If you want only clone database of production, why you are take Standby controlfile?
If you don't want create standby database then, why you using DUPLICATE command with FOR STANDBY option.
You can use DUPLICATE command for clone database, without for standby option.
If you say no, we want create standby database and we will perform swithover,
then yes, you can use online redo logs for max performance mode.
and you can create standby redo logs on all database, but this redo logs will use by database when database role
is standby.
Regards
Mahir M. Quluzade

Can we use online redo log to recover lost datafile in NOARCHIVE mode?

I am working on OCA exam and confued about these 2 sample questions. (similar questions with totally different answer)
Please give me hint about the different between these 2 questions.
** If the database is in NOARCHIVELOG mode, and one of the datafile for tablespace USERS is lost, what kind of recovery is possible? (answer: B)
A. All transactions except those in the USERS tablespace are recoverable up to the loss of the datafile.
B. Recovery is possible only up to the point in time of the last full database backup.
C. The USERS tablespace is recoverable from the online redo log file as long as none of the redo log files have been reused since the last backup.
D. Tablespace point in time recovery is available as long as a full backup of the USERS tablespace exists.
** The database of your company is running in the NOARCHIVELOG mode. You perform a complete backup of the database every night. On Monday morning, you lose the USER1.dbf file belonging to the USERS tablespace. Your database has four redo log groups, and there have been two log switches since Sunday night's backup.
Which is true (answer: B)
A. The database cannot be recovered.
B. The database can be recovered up to the last commit.
C. The database can be recovered only up to the last completed backup.
D. The database can be recovered by performing an incomplete recovery.
E. The database can be recovered by restoring only the USER!.dbf datafile from the most recent backup.

I think Gaurav is correct, you can recover to the last commit even in NOARCHIVELOG, as long as all the changes in the redo logs have not been overwritten. So answer should be B for question 2.
Here is my test:
SQL> select log_mode from v$database;
LOG_MODE
NOARCHIVELOG
SQL> select tablespace_name, file_name from dba_data_files;
TABLESPACE_NAME
FILE_NAME
USERS
C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\USERS01.DBF
SYSAUX
C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\SYSAUX01.DBF
UNDOTBS1
C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\UNDOTBS01.DBF
SYSTEM
C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\SYSTEM01.DBF
DATA
C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\DATA01.DBF
SQL> create table names
2 ( name varchar(16))
3 tablespace users;
Table created.
so this segment 'names' is created in the datafile users01.
At this point I shut down and mount the DB, then:
RMAN> backup database;
channel ORA_DISK_1: backup set complete, elapsed time: 00:00:29
Finished backup at 06-OCT-07
SQL>alter database open
SQL> insert into names values ('pippo');
1 row created.
SQL> commit;
Commit complete.
SQL>shutdown immediate;
Database closed.
Database dismounted.
ORACLE instance shut down.
At this point I delete datafile users01 and restart:
SQL> startup
ORACLE instance started.
Total System Global Area 167772160 bytes
Fixed Size 1247900 bytes
Variable Size 67110244 bytes
Database Buffers 96468992 bytes
Redo Buffers 2945024 bytes
Database mounted.
ORA-01157: cannot identify/lock data file 4 - see DBWR trace file
ORA-01110: data file 4: 'C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\USERS01.DBF'
restoring the backup taken before inserting the value 'pippo' in table names:
RMAN> restore database;
Starting restore at 06-OCT-07
using channel ORA_DISK_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: starting datafile backupset restore
channel ORA_DISK_1: specifying datafile(s) to restore from backup set
restoring datafile 00001 to C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\SYSTEM01.D
BF
restoring datafile 00002 to C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\UNDOTBS01.
DBF
restoring datafile 00003 to C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\SYSAUX01.D
BF
restoring datafile 00004 to C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\USERS01.DB
F
restoring datafile 00005 to C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\ORADATA\ORA101RC\DATA01.DBF
channel ORA_DISK_1: reading from backup piece C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\DB_1\DATA
BASE\0AITR52K_1_1
channel ORA_DISK_1: restored backup piece 1
piece handle=C:\ORACLE\PRODUCT\10.2.0\DB_1\DATABASE\0AITR52K_1_1 tag=TAG20071006
T181337
channel ORA_DISK_1: restore complete, elapsed time: 00:02:07
Finished restore at 06-OCT-07
RMAN> recover database;
Starting recover at 06-OCT-07
using channel ORA_DISK_1
starting media recovery
media recovery complete, elapsed time: 00:00:05
Finished recover at 06-OCT-07
SQL> alter database open;
Database altered.
SQL> select * from names;
NAME
pippo
SQL>
enrico

Multiplexing Online redo logs, archive logs, and control files.

Currently I am only multiplexing my control files and online redo logs, My archive logs are only going to the FRA and then being backed up to tape.
We have to replace disks that hold the FRA data. HP says there is a chance we will have to rebuild the FRA.
As my archive logs are going to the FRA now, can I multiplex them to another disk group? And if all of the control files, online redo logs and archive logs are multiplexed to another disk group, when ASM dismounts the FRA disk group due to insufficient number of disks, will the database remain open and on line.
If so then I will just need to rebuild the ASM volumes, and the FRA disk group and bring it to the mount state, correct?
Thanks!

You can save your online redo logs and archive logs anywhere you want by making use of of init params create_online_log_dest and log_archive_dest_n. You will have to create new redo log groups in the new location and drop the ones in the FRA. The archive logs will simply land wherever you designate with log_archive_dest_n parameters. Moving the control files off FRA is a little trickier because you will need to restore your controlfile to a non-FRA destination and then shutdown your instance, edit the control file param to reflect changes and restart.
I think you will be happier if you move everything off the FRA diskgroup before dismounting it, and not expecting the db to automagically recover from the loss of files on the FRA.

Recover when Online Redo Log lost.

Hi,all.
How do I recover the db while all the online redo log files were lost.
The database is running in archive mode and all the archived redo log files were saved well.
But since last hot backup,I have done some table inserting with nologging.
Now the database can not be opened.
Who can tell me how to recover the db to the recent state.
I remember the db was shutdown immediate.
(Do it make any difference to online redo log file between shutdown immediate and abort?)
Thanks.
wy.

I find out if I shutdown immediate and remove all the redo log files,I can recover the database as below:
SQL> startup
ORACLE instance started.
Total System Global Area 109164572 bytes
Fixed Size 75804 bytes
Variable Size 59498496 bytes
Database Buffers 49512448 bytes
Redo Buffers 77824 bytes
Database mounted.
ORA-00313: open failed for members of log group 1 of thread 1
ORA-00312: online log 1 thread 1: 'D:\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORCL\REDO03.LOG'
SQL> recover database until cancel
Media recovery complete.
SQL> alter database open resetlogs;
Database altered.
but if I shutdown abort,I can not recover the database.
SQL> startup
ORACLE instance started.
Total System Global Area 109164572 bytes
Fixed Size 75804 bytes
Variable Size 59498496 bytes
Database Buffers 49512448 bytes
Redo Buffers 77824 bytes
Database mounted.
ORA-00313: open failed for members of log group 1 of thread 1
ORA-00312: online log 1 thread 1: 'D:\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORCL\REDO03.LOG'
ORA-27041: unable to open file
OSD-04002: unable to open file
O/S-Error: (OS 2) O5M3UR2;5=V86(5DND<~!#
SQL> recover database until cancel
ORA-00279: change 690879 generated at 08/09/2004 16:34:04 needed for thread 1
ORA-00289: suggestion : D:\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORCL\ARCHIVE\ORCLT001S00002.ARC
ORA-00280: change 690879 for thread 1 is in sequence #2
Specify log: {<RET>=suggested | filename | AUTO | CANCEL}
auto
ORA-00279: change 690963 generated at 08/09/2004 16:34:08 needed for thread 1
ORA-00289: suggestion : D:\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORCL\ARCHIVE\ORCLT001S00003.ARC
ORA-00280: change 690963 for thread 1 is in sequence #3
ORA-00278: log file 'D:\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORCL\ARCHIVE\ORCLT001S00002.ARC' no
longer needed for this recovery
ORA-00308: cannot open archived log
'D:\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORCL\ARCHIVE\ORCLT001S00003.ARC'
ORA-27041: unable to open file
OSD-04002: unable to open file
O/S-Error: (OS 2) O5M3UR2;5=V86(5DND<~!#
ORA-01547: warning: RECOVER succeeded but OPEN RESETLOGS would get error below
ORA-01194: file 1 needs more recovery to be consistent
ORA-01110: data file 1: 'D:\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORCL\SYSTEM01.DBF'
SQL> recover database until cancel
ORA-00279: change 690963 generated at 08/09/2004 16:34:08 needed for thread 1
ORA-00289: suggestion : D:\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORCL\ARCHIVE\ORCLT001S00003.ARC
ORA-00280: change 690963 for thread 1 is in sequence #3
Specify log: {<RET>=suggested | filename | AUTO | CANCEL}
CANCEL
ORA-01547: warning: RECOVER succeeded but OPEN RESETLOGS would get error below
ORA-01194: file 1 needs more recovery to be consistent
ORA-01110: data file 1: 'D:\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORCL\SYSTEM01.DBF'
ORA-01112: media recovery not started
SQL> ALTER DATABASE OPEN RESETLOGS;
ALTER DATABASE OPEN RESETLOGS
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-01194: file 1 needs more recovery to be consistent
ORA-01110: data file 1: 'D:\ORACLE\ORADATA\ORCL\SYSTEM01.DBF'
So How to recover the database when the db shutdown abort and all the online redo log were lost?

Best practice - online redo logs and virtualization

I have a 10.1.0.4 instance (soon to be migrated to 11gr2) running under Windows Server 2003.
We use a non-standard disk distribution scheme -
on the c: drive we have oracle_home as well as directories for control files and online redo logs.
on the d: drive we have datafiles
on the e: drive we have archive log files and another directory with online redo logs and another copy of control file
my question is this:
is it smart practice to have ANY online redo logs or control file on the same spindle with archive logs?
Our setup works fairly well but we are in the process of migrating the instance first to ESX server and SAN and then secondly to 11gtr2 64bit under server 2008 64 and when we bring up our instance on the VM for testing we find that benchmarking the ESX server (dual Xeon 3.4ghz with 48gb RAM running against FalconStor NSS SAN with 15k SAS disks over iSCSI) against the production physical server (dual Xeon 2.0ghz with 4gb RAM using direct attached SATA 7200rpm drives) we find that some processes run faster on the ESX box and some run 40-100% slower. Running Statspack seems to identify lots of physical read waits as well as some waits for redo and controlfiles.
Is it possible that in addition to any overhead introduced by ESX and iSCSI (we are running Jumbo Frames over 1gb) we may have contention because the archive logs are on the same "spindle" (virtual) as the online redo and control files?
We're looking at multiple avenues to bring the 2 servers in line from a performance standpoint - db configuration, memory allocation, possible move to 10gb network, possible move to SSD storage tray, possible application rewrites. But from the simplest low hanging fruit idea, if these files should not be on the same spindle thats an easy change to make and possibly eke out an improvement.
Ideas?
Mike

Hi,
"Old" Oracle standard is to use as many spindles as possible.
It looks to me, you have only 1 disk with several partitions on it ??
In my honest opinion you should anyway start by physically seperating OS from Oracle, so let the C: drive to the Windows OS
Take another physical seperate D: drive to install you application.
Use yet another set of physical drives, preferably in RAID10 setup, for your database and redo logs
And finally yet another disk for the archive logs.
We have recently configured a Windows 2008 server with an 11G Db, which pretty much follows the above setup.
All non RAID10 disks are RAID1 ( mirror ) and we even have some SSD's for hot tables and redo-logs.
The machine, or must I say the database, operates like a high speed train, very, very fast.
Ofcourse keep in mind the number of cores ( not only for licensing ) and the amount of memory.
Try to prevent the system from swapping, because that is a performance killer!
Edit: And even if you put a virtual layer in between, try to seperate the virtual disks as much as possible over physical disks
Success!
FJFranken
Edited by: fjfranken on 7-okt-2011 7:19

The file structure online redo log, archived redo log and standby redo log

I have read some Oracle documentation for file structure and settings in Data Guard environment. But I still have some doubts. What is the best file structure or settings in Oracle 10.2.0.4 on UNIX for a data guard environment with 4 primary databases and 4 physical standby databases. Based on Oracle documents, there are 3 redo logs. They are: online redo logs, archived redo logs and standby redo logs. The basic settings are:
1. Online redo logs --- This redo log must be on Primary database and logical standby database. But it is not necessary to be on physical standby database because physical standby is not open. It doesn't generate redo log. However, if don't set up online redo log on physical standby, when primary failover and switch standby as primary. How can standby perform without online redo logs? In my standby databases, online redo logs have been set up.
2. Archived redo logs --- It is obviously that primary database, logical and physical standby database all need to have this log file being set up. Primary use it to archive log files and ship to standby. Standby use it to receive data from archived log and apply to database.
3. Standby redo logs --- In the document, it says A standby redo log is similar to an online redo log, except that a standby redo log is used to store redo data received from another database. A standby redo log is required if you want to implement: The maximum protection and maximum availability levels of data protection and Real-time apply as well as Cascaded destinations. So it seems that this standby redo log only should be set up on standby database, not on primary database. Am my understanding correct? Because I review current redo log settings on my environment, I have found that Standby redo log directory and files have been set up on both primary and standby databases. I would like to get more information and education from experts. What is the best setting or structure on primary and standby database?

FZheng:
Thanks for your input. It is clear that we need 3 type of redo logs on both databases. You answer my question.
But I have another one. In oracle ducument, it says If you have configured a standby redo log on one or more standby databases in the configuration, ensure the size of the current standby redo log file on each standby database exactly matches the size of the current online redo log file on the primary database. It says: At log switch time, if there are no available standby redo log files that match the size of the new current online redo log file on the primary database. The primary database will shut down
My current one data gurard envirnment setting is: On primary DB, online redo log group size is 512M and standby redo log group size is 500M. On the standby DB, online redo log group size is 500M and standby redo log group size is 750M.
This was setup by someone I don't know. Is this setting OK? or I should change Standby Redo Log on standby DB to 512M to exactly meatch with redo log size on primary?
Edited by: 853153 on Jun 22, 2011 9:42 AM

What is the difference between undo tablespace and online redo log files.

what is the difference between undo tablespace and online redo log files. I am confused
as per my knowledge undo tablespace is used to store the undo information when a table is being updated so that, just incase we need to rollback a transaction we know what was present in the table earlier.
when a transaction fails the SMON performs the rollback of the data.
This undo data is stored in the undo tablespace and read consistency if any is enforced.
is my understanding till here correct?
Now, can this undo data/before image not be stored in the redo log buffer and online redolog files?
can redo-log files not store this information?
in fact, is it that when undo tablespaces exist in a database, the undo data/before image is stored in both the undo tablespace and also the redo log files?
kindly clarify my doubt.
thank you.

This question has been asked many times before. The answer is always the same.
Yes, redo contains the before image of data (and the after-image). Therefore, it **COULD** be used to roll back a transaction.
BUT... Redo is written sequentially. Using it to rollback your transaction would involve reading through all the redo written by maybe thousands of other people. It would be painfully slow.
Your transaction is, however, directly linked to just the UNDO that it generates (which is JUST the before image of the data). So, your undo is your undo and doesn't share space with anyone else's undo. Therefore, using it to roll back YOUR transaction is fast.
The fact that undo is only the before image of the data also makes it faster than wading through a sea of before and AFTER images as you'd find in redo. About twice as fast, in fact, since there's half the data. Roughly.
Redo also gets written and flushed to disk whenever there's a commit, 3 seconds are up or too much (1MB, actually) redo gets generated between flushes caused by other factors. Your redo gets flushed when those things happen, even if you haven't actually committed your transaction. And redo logs recycle themselves, meaning that your redo -even if your transaction hasn't been committed yet- can be over-written by later transactions. Try rolling back when that's happened, if redo was the source of your rollback data!
Undo, however, cannot be over-written if the transaction has not been committed. Ever. If you don't commit for three years, there will be three years' undo stored in your database (assuming you had the space, of course!).
I could go on, but that will do. Redo is there fore RECOVERY, after catastrophe. Undo is there for read-consistency (and the occasional change of mind). Two different functions. Two different mechanisms. Each one highly tuned to doing what it does, why it does it, most efficiently and effectively.

Physical Standby Online Redo log files,

Hi,
I'm trying to create a physical standby database (10.2.0.3). I'm a little confused about the requirement for online redo logs on the standby.
in my standby alert log I get the following when I issue:
SQL> alter database recover managed standby database disconnect from session
"ORA-00313: open failed for members of log group 1 of thread 1
ORA-00312: online log 1 thread 1: '/appl/oradata/prod/prod_1_redo_01_02.log'
ORA-27037: unable to obtain file status
SVR4 Error: 2: No such file or directory
Additional information: 3"
/appl/oradata/prod/prod_1_redo_01_02.log is the path to the location of the online redo logs on the production system. This file does not exist on the standby filesystem so the error is correct.
I assume that it gets this information from the standby control file I created on the production system and copied over to the standby.
Do I need to copy the online redo logs from the primary over to the standby site or do I need to create online redo logs on the standby?
Does the standby need to have redo log files?
I'm not talking about 'standby log files' of the type created using 'alter database add standby log file'. I've not got that far yet.
I just need to establish if a physical standby requires online redo log files?
Thanks in advance,
user234564

I wanted to update this thread since I've been dealing with the exact same errors. The basic question is: "does a physical standby need the online redo logs?"
Answer: Not really, until one wants to switchover or failover (and become a primary database). Furthermore, whenever the MRP process is started, Oracle prepares for a possible switchover/failover by "clearing" the online redo logs (MetaLink note# 352879.1). It is not a big deal, since Oracle will build the actual redo files when the "alter database open resetlogs" is accomplished during a "role transition."
In our situation, we have decided to use our standby for nightly exports. We stop MRP, open the database read-only, then restart MRP. We built these standby DBs with RMAN. The RMAN duplicate process will not build the online redo log files until the database is opened for read/write (with resetlogs). However, we haven't had a need for read/write (i.e. a switchover).
Thus, every morning we have been getting the same errors that "user234564" posted above. At first the errors seemed scary, then we realized they were just a nusiance. In order to clean things up, all I did was just "cp" our stanby redo logs (SRL) into our online redo directories ensuring the names matched what was in v$logfile. When I restarted MRP, the alert log clearly showed Oracle clearing these "newly found" online redo logs.

Online redo logs on a physical standby?

A question on REDO logs on physical standby databases. (10.2.0.4 db on Windows 32bit)
My PRIMARY has 3 ONLINE REDO groups, 2 members each, in ..ORADATA\LOCP10G
My PHYSICAL STANDBY has 4 STANDBY REDO groups, 2 members each, in ..ORADATA\SBY10G
I have shipping occurring from the primary in LGWR, ASYNC mode - max availablility
However I notice the STANDBY also has ONLINE REDO logs, same as the PRIMARY, in the ..ORADATA\SBY10G folder
According to the 10g Dataguard docs, section 2.5.1:
"Physical standby databases do not use an online redo log, because physical standby databases are not opened for read/write I/O."
I have tried to drop these on the STANDBY when not in apply mode, but I get the following:
SQL> ALTER DATABASE RECOVER MANAGED STANDBY DATABASE CANCEL;
Database altered.
SQL> ALTER DATABASE DROP LOGFILE GROUP 3;
ALTER DATABASE DROP LOGFILE GROUP 3
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-01275: Operation DROP LOGFILE is not allowed if standby file management is
automatic.
I also deleted them while the STANDBY instance was idle, but it recreated them when moved to MOUNT mode.
So my question is why is my PHYSICAL recreating and using these, if the docs say the shouldn't?
I saw the same error mentioned here: prob. with DataGuard
Is this a case of the STANDBY needing at least a notion of where the REDO logs will need to be should a failover occur, and if the files are already there, the standby database CONTROLFILE will hold onto them, as they are not doing any harm anyway?
Or, is this a prooduct of having management=AUTOMATIC - i.e. the database will create these 'automatically'
Ta
bt

According to the 10g Dataguard docs, section 2.5.1:
"Physical standby databases do not use an online redo log, because physical standby databases are not opened for read/write I/O."yes, those are used when database is open.
You should not perform any changes in Standby. Even if those exist online redo log files, whats the difficulty you have seen?
These will be used whenever you performed switchover/failover. So nothing to worry on this.
Is this a case of the STANDBY needing at least a notion of where the REDO logs will need to be should a failover occur, and if the files are already there, the standby database CONTROLFILE will hold onto them, as they are not doing any harm anyway?Then oracle functionality itself harm if you think in that way. When they not used in open then what the harm with that?
Standby_File_management --> for example if you add any datafile, those information will be in archives/redos once they applied on standby those will be added automatically when it is set to AUTO if its manual, then it creates a unnamed file in $ORACLE_HOME/dbs location later you have to rename that file and recovery need to perform .
check this http://docs.oracle.com/cd/B14117_01/server.101/b10755/initparams206.htm
HTH.

Online redo log group needed??

hey guys!
Am about to recreate the clone file of the clone db, open it using recover it until cancel using backup controlfile and apply all necessary archive logs!
My question is, does ai need to have online redo log group of the production db? since ai have all the archive log, so ai think while recraeting the control file, online redo log group will be created too?
Thanks!

while recraeting the control file, online redo log group will be created tooWhile creating control file, online redo log group doesn't get created. After applying all the archivel logs you have to open the database with RESET LOG option and then oracle will create redo logs for you.
Best of Luck !!
Daljit Singh

Online redo log switching

Hello.
I have a question about online redo logs.
Assume that I have two small redo log groups in my database. I am processing a big batch load consisting of many inserts, but no checkpoing. The first redo log group gets full, it's switched to the second one. The second one gets full too and it need to be switched to the first. No commit until this time, so (I guess) the data has not been saved to datafiles.
Is that possible? Will the database hung ?
If not the first redo log group gets overwritten, doesn't it? What if, after the commit, the database crashes. I will not be able to restore the operations from the first redo group...?

Depends,
If you are running in archive log mode then when you fill the first redo log group it is copied to the archvielog destination, then when the second is filled its copied and we switch back to the first if the archiver hasn't completed you will get a short 'hang' whillst the archiver completes then the transaction will proceed.
if in no archivelog mode you will just switch back and forth between the two log files.
You may be confused because you think that the datablocks in the buffer cache and datafiles are not updated untill the transaction is completed this is not true, the assumption is that most transactions will be completed and commited for a usefull discussion of the concepts see.
Re: basic concepts

Loss of all online redo logs

Hello,
I have been practicing backup and recovery.
How can I recover my database after loss of all online redolog files while the database was open.
Oracle version:-10.2.0.1
OS:- Win(32 bit)
Database is in archive log mode.
Have taken user managed hot as well as cold backup of the database prior to this test.

Try http://www.oracle.com/pls/db102/search?remark=quick_search&word=Loss+of+Online+Redo+Logs&tab_id=&format=ranked
http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/backup.102/b14191/recoscen.htm#i1006564
http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/backup.102/b14191/recoscen.htm#CACFFJFB
Hemant K Chitale
Edited by: Hemant K Chitale on May 4, 2011 11:34 AM

Cold backup with online redo logs

I am working on 10G in AIX for a single instance
It is just a general db backup & restore question, but I have something confused.
I am going to perform a cold backup with my ARCHIVELOG database.
No wonder why I perform a cold backup because it is a testing database which can suffer from data lost and down time during backup.
I read some guides. They all mentioned to backup all the datafiles and control files.
During the restoration, I have to copy all the backed up datafiles and control files to the default location.
Then Startup mount;
The last step before open the database is recover database until cancel;
For the acknowledgement, I have to do the command of recover database, because the online redo logs were not backed up, thus we have to recover it in order to reset the redo logs.
For my question,Would I be able to skip the command of recover database, then directly startup the database if I have backed up the online redo logs and copy the default location during the restoration?
However, I read many documents which mention that it is not suggested to backup the online redo logs. Is it just the case which ONLY applied in hot backup? Do you all think that for my case, cold backup for online redo logs is recommended?
Thanks all

jgarry wrote:
Edit: And never forget, those test databases are some developers production.Absolutely true according to my experience. Loosing the work of a payed developer is just as bad as loosing the work of a production system and may even be worse because it may not be possible to re-enter missing data into the system.
I think a cold backup is only suitable on special occasions, for instance, to relocate/copy the database to a different storage media, or if the database doesn't change or if loosing changes is absolutely irrelevant. Otherwise, put the database into archivelog mode and do a hot backup. After that you will also have alternative options which can make the restore and recovery of the database very easy and efficient, like flashback database, etc. but it will take substantial additional disk space.

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