Reds in Lightroom 2.6 with Nikon D3s are horrible

Just started using a Nikon D3s and the reds in Lightroom are horrible -- oversaturated and too red. For example, oranges look red. The JPEG previews actually look fine so it's something about the RAW program.
I compared to Nikon D3 and D3 has no problems.
Anyone else have this problem? Is the D3s profile for LR 2.6 messed up?

What immediately strikes me is that the exposure on these 2 images is very different and that your white balance is not the same in both. One of the strange things with Lightroom and ACR is that the rendered hue depends quite strong on the original exposure. Your D3 image is at 1/3s, f8 and the D3s image is at 3/5 and f8, one stop longer. At the same time, the D3s image is darker. Looking at it, that is because they were taken 1 hour apart and the light clearly changed completely judging the shadows from the chair. If you take the jpegs and white balance on the Whibal cards, the reds pull together significantly. It is not surprising that two different cameras judge white balance differently, especially if you shoot the image at different times. You will probably get closer results than me with the jpegs if you start with the RAWs and white balance on the whibal. Then if you also equalize the exposures based on the whibal greycard, you'll find that the reds are closely the same, except for the obvious difference in lighting direction which causes some highlights on the fabric in one image and not so much in the other. There also seems to be a small difference in overall saturation which is par for the course and probably has more to do with the different lighting conditions.
This is really very close for two completely different sensors considering the non-equal testing condition. The differences are on the scale of the difference between two cameras with the same model number! I would redo your test in better controlled lighting conditions and make sure the exposures are equal.
If you want to get closer results, the only way is to shoot a colorchecker and create profiles for both. Otherwise you'll keep subtle differences in color no matter what you do.

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:06:11 -0700
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