Reference Monitor Question

I'm in the market for a new TV. My old 19" Toshiba still works, but the quality isn't there anymore. Still good enough though to view video on before burning to DVD.
My questions are:
-- Will a flat screen LCD be comparable in any way to the CRT for general video monitoring? I'm not doing anything too professional, but am in the process of producing a series for broadcasting on my local cable TV station, so I need to know if I can expect to get a pretty good sense of what my quality will be on a LCD vs CRT. (If CRT is a better external monitor, I can keep the Toshiba nearby for video monitoring.)
-- Also, are there any features I should look for in the LCD TV I'll be buying that are applicable for DV editing?
Thanks.

hey there ramon,
are you doing work for hire-as in broadcast/feature film & documentaries regularly or for friends/family & the occassional video for $$? i do some work for hire-SD to DVD for a couple of clients & have gotten good responses about my work/product from them using a 23" Philips LCD HD monitor(@1920 x1080i over DVI) in Digital Cinema Preview Fullscreen when i work in FCP, sometimes i use FW NTSC 720 x 480 output to a Toshiba 9" CRT TV/DVD combo w/ composite in-i have space issues & like having the HDTV option for when i'm in there working & take a little break for my brain while i'm having lunch. & i use the DVD player on the Toshiba for checking my DVDs playback. a "Pro" LCD monior + a card like AJA or Blackmagic to view video outside of Digital Cinema Preview will be a large chunk o' cash, i didn't have but i wanted/needed a larger display, hence the 2nd best option-LCD HDTV monitor & use Digital Cinema Preview Fullscreen-especially since i made the move to HDV for my own projects it was my only lo-$$ option.
good luck.

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I like to keep the Reference Monitor up with some scopes on it while editing, to keep an eye on the relative color between the two cameras.
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I often have to switch between looking at the multi-cam destination, and looking at other sequences... and it makes no sense that those other sequences should be viewed in Multi-cam mode, just because some other sequence was being viewed in multi-cam mode. No?
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Right,
So here was the problem, in case any of you people out there are going nuts with what appears to be a broken project.
In the timeline above the multicam layer, I was dropping in graphics. I was cutting and pasting them in.
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As shown below.
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Cheers..

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Prior to making the above frame rate change, I was using the reference monitor for a waveform analysis which would play smoothly on both the Program and Reference monitors. Once I made the clip change, I lost the ability for the reference monitor to play smoothly-- it only holds an image of a single frame. In order to see the clip play I have to hold down the right arrow button. The program monitor works fine. And yes, it is set to gang.
The interpret footage command screwed something up. Any ideas?
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Hey,
I had this exact same problem!
I know this is an old thread, but just incase someone comes along here looking for a working solution,
Liquid80 from http://forums.adobe.com/thread/688529
posted this answer,
"Then for some reason I decided to click on "Window" on the menu bar without even thinking and then clicked "Program Monitor"!!! PROBLEM SOLVED!!!
There are TWO different views. One called "Program Monitor" and the other called "Reference Monitor" and the annoying thing is they look nearly identical but function differently!!!
So all this time you had "Reference Monitor" open instead of "Program Monitor"."
All the best

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