Referenced Masters on network

It appears that Aperture 3 broke support for storing Referenced Masters on an NFS share. My library is stored on the regular HFS+ drive used to boot the Mac, and in Aperture 2 I had no problems storing Referenced Masters on NFS. This allowed them to be automatically backed up when the file server did it's nightly backup.
As anyone else seen this issue, and if so, any chance you have a solution? Without this being fixed Aperture 3 is completely useless to me.

Re iPhoto on a NAS:
Still trying to solve this.
iPhoto needs to have the Library sitting on disk formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled). Users with the Library sitting on disks otherwise formatted regularly report issues including, but not limited to, importing, saving edits and sharing the photos. Simply a NAS is not a suitable home for an iPhoto Library.
Workaround: Make a dmg formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled) and put the Library on that and store it on the NAS.
I think I have to mirror the iTunes solution above,
This involves having iPhoto reference the files on the NAS with the Library on your internal HD or some other volume. I strongly suggest that you don't do that. Unlike Aperture, iPhoto has no tools to reconnect with lost masters (Originals in iPhoto) so should anything go wrong you'll find yourself re-connecting each individual photo in the Library with its Original +one by one+.
but figure out which folders to move
You would need to recreate your Library as a Referenced Library.
Regards
TD

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Aperture 3 Referenced Masters on a Network Drive

I purchased a Synology Disk Station as my network attached storage solution. I was hoping to have my iTunes media and my Aperture referenced masters on the RAID-enabled network drives. I have had nothing but trouble with iTunes referencing media (extremely slow) so I gave up. Now I am attempting to relocate the Aperture masters to the network drive. According to this article, http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3252 I should definitely not be moving my images to the network drive, as the drive must be formatted as Mac OS Extended, but the Synology Disk Station volumes must be formatted as FAT32. Meanwhile, I did try to relocate some images. One problem I have is that if another user logs in to my iMac before me and mounts the network volume named Sally, when I log in and mount the network volume, the volume name is not the same, it is Sally-1, and Aperture cannot find the referenced masters! I imagine this would happen with any network drive when multiple users are logged into the Imac.
It seems like I have a gigantic network brick that I may be able to use as a glorified Time Machine backup drive, or is there something I can do about this? How does one have networked Mac OS drives? Connecting a drive to an Airport Extreme the only way?

Re iPhoto on a NAS:
Still trying to solve this.
iPhoto needs to have the Library sitting on disk formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled). Users with the Library sitting on disks otherwise formatted regularly report issues including, but not limited to, importing, saving edits and sharing the photos. Simply a NAS is not a suitable home for an iPhoto Library.
Workaround: Make a dmg formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled) and put the Library on that and store it on the NAS.
I think I have to mirror the iTunes solution above,
This involves having iPhoto reference the files on the NAS with the Library on your internal HD or some other volume. I strongly suggest that you don't do that. Unlike Aperture, iPhoto has no tools to reconnect with lost masters (Originals in iPhoto) so should anything go wrong you'll find yourself re-connecting each individual photo in the Library with its Original +one by one+.
but figure out which folders to move
You would need to recreate your Library as a Referenced Library.
Regards
TD

Lost my referenced masters after update 3.0.1

Dear all, after the update to 3.01 a few hours ago I have no more access to my referenced masters.
When I try to open Photoshop or other plug-ins there is an error message.
After having so much trouble with the update from A2 to A3 whilst getting them fixed with your help here, I`m looking forward to waste another week-end.
Actions so fare done:
shutdown and restart, no progress
cmd + alt restart, no progress
recover latest update from time machine gets me a library file which is 1/3 of the size of the original lib (11GB vs. 33.3GB). No pictures can be seen, only colored stripes, activity window showing me that the program reworks 44.000 objects. I`m not very optimistic to get my library back.
Any other ideas.
Regards
TikTok101

I'm having a similar issue, my refrenced images (stored on a network drive) are fine but my managed images (stored in the aperture library) are missing. I have the previews but not the images.
I have repaired and restored my library niether have worked
I also restored my hard drive using time machine to A2 and the images are still missing

Referenced masters both in Ap3 and Ap2

I have referenced masters on an external HD that I access through our wireless network. Even though I have specified where the master images are, Aperture seems to forget or not have the correct drive name available. This is inconvenient bc now I have to locate external masters and reconnect them again. It's getting pretty annoying. Is there any way to stop this behavior? Also, tonight on Aperture 3 I tried to reconnect masters but it kept selecting a PSD file and when I clicked on the associated master file, it would not ungrey the Reconnect All button and eventually Aperture crashed.

To convert managed masters to referenced masters gp to File->Relocate Masters..
To have imported images made referenced in the Import Window chhose the location you want the masters stored:
Seelct a location or create a new one.

Interesting Approach to Referenced Masters

With the usual caveat that your mileage may vary, would like to share the results of an experiment in using referenced masters.
My son in law is a very talented photographer who, for family reasons, prefers to edit on a laptop (17" MacBookPro) rather than a desk top set up.
He has upgraded to a 500 GB HD, but is running out of room. Time to relocate some masters to be sure that the has lots of space on his HD for system ops, caching, etc.
He has his old HD, now mounted in a cheap USB 2.0 case. I pointed out to him that as masters are write once/read many, and not even used that often in normal Aperture operations, putting the masters on the HD would probably incur very little loss of speed, and, with enough RAM, even that would be a one time only pause when loading.
So he moved a project or two and all was well. The difference in loading time was barely noticeable.
Then he got clever, and noted that he had a Time Capsule. What would happen if he hung the USB HD off of the Time Capsule so that:
-- It did not clutter up his lap or desk and,
-- The masters would still be accusable anywhere in the house.
The short answer was that there was no noticeable drop in performance. I was surprised.
For the record, the files in question are Nikon D90 NEF. Part of this effort is to clear up space on the existing HD to make ready for the arrival of a D800. Obviously, the D800 NEF will be larger, but I doubt that there will be much performance change as we are still talking about a very linear read of an unfragmented file.
Some small evidence that the time to load a RAW master into memory may be limited as much by bus speed and rendering speed as it is by HD performance. Clearly, HD read/write is very important for updating the versions/previews/etc., but probably the least important consideration for where you place your masters.
Offered for your consideration. Would be hearing the experiences of others.
DiploStrat

Kirby,
He doesn't do much/any brushing; most of his heavy editing is with the NIK suite.
As I understand Aperture, brushing will hammer the GPU and the Version file, but it ignores the Master, once it is loaded. This all makes sense. I also run Aperture 3 on a 2006 MBP with 2 GB of RAM and a 240 GB SSD. I can brush, edit, etc. but when working at full res with so little RAM there are definite pauses, some as long as 30 seconds, in the work flow. The short answer here is that even a fast SSD can't catch up to a real shortage of RAM and an older generation of GPU, only two cores, etc.
If you have enough RAM to get the entire Master into RAM and keep it there without it paging out, then the fact that the Master was initially on a slow drive should have no impact on your working speed.
Léonie,
This was all done under Snow Leopard. Most interesting links. Leaving aside all of the screaming and shouting, it seems silly that Lion should actively shut off this feature. Indeed, given all of Apple's push for iClouds, etc., you would think that this is exactly the kind of "bonus" feature that they would be touting. Referenced Masters require a bit of extra work on the part of the user, keeping track of whether the drive is direct connected, or networked shouldn't be that much extra. If anything, and given that Aperture can challenge even the healthiest Macs in a way that Lightroom doesn't seem to, the fact that you can sometimes gain speed by putting your Masters on slower hardware is actually a plus.
There is a small possibility that this is related to the idea that Aperture is a single user, not a collaborative system. But then, if I were releasing Aperture 4 tomorrow, I would come up with a multi-user version. There is a small, but vocal group of Aperture users who really want/need a multi-user, or at least a multi-computer workflow. Couple that with iCloud and the potential for newsies, sports shooters, and others, are amazing.
DiploStrat

Regarding Backup of Referenced Masters: What Software do you use?

Hi, I have a portion of my library stored on an external drive via referenced masters. I back up these image files to another external drive. Currently I do this manually - I just copy the folders using the Finder. But I'm interesting in a program that can automatically backup these files incrementally and keep the backup up to date. What does everybody here use? Lacie Silverkeeping? Thanks.

GraemeSmith wrote:
The referenced masters are stored on an external drive, not the internal drive (which is backed up with Time Machine). Is it even possible to use Time Machine on an external drive?
Sure. Time Machine can backup whichever hard drives are plugged in to the machine on which Time Machine is running. This is to be distinguished from drives attached to the network, via Airport Extreme, for example. Time Machine won't get those.
Also the backup drive I want to use for the referenced masters is different that the Time Machine drive.
Gotcha. That obviously rules out Time Machine.

Import photos from SD Card into a library with referenced masters

I have the following problem:
I would like to migrate from Aperture (that I used for the past couple of years) to Photos for OS X. (Well, let's say I feel kind of forced to by Apple's decision to abandon Aperture and since I do not like to switch to Lightroom (which I fear will soon be available via Adobe's Cloud system!)). I successfully migrated my Aperture library to Photos. My library is a 'referenced library', i.e. a library where the original photos ('masters') are NOT inside the library but stored in a separate location. In my case the original photos are stored on a NAS. Photos recognizes all my photos and by right-clicking on a photo I can select the 'Show in Finder' option and Photos correctly shows then the location of the corresponding photo on the NAS. So far so good.
The problem arises when I want to import new photos from the camera (or its SD card). I plugin the SD card into the Mac and fire up Photos. Then I click on 'Import'. I do not succeed in importing the photos from the SD card in a way that the original files (masters) are copied to the NAS (the place where I keep my masters). In fact when I import then everything (also the master files) are copied into the library (which is located on the Mac's internal SSD.) This happens despite I have deselected "Copy objects into photo library" in the Photos app Preferences.
(Another problem is that, with Aperture, I could import photos from the SD card in a way that the originals were copied to the NAS, renamed appropriately (e.g. <date>-<time>.JPG and put automatically in an Aperture-created folder structure (year/month/day). I fear that the only way to keep on working with 'referenced' masters will be by NOT using Photos' Import function directly for the import from the SD card, but first to copy 'manually' (using the Finder) the photos from the SD card to the NAS (after having created year, month, day folders manually) and then to use Photos Import function. Is this really the sad truth?
Another problem is: When I delete a photo from the library, it will NOT be deleted from the masters! :-(
Has anybody experienced the same problems?
Cheers
Rainer

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Macintosh Disk Icons: When you connect the MicroMate Reader/Writer on a Macintosh operating system, a removable disk icon labeled
“untitled” representing the MicroMate Reader/Writer will show on the desktop when a card is inserted.
It also has directions to drag the removable disk icon labeled “untitled” to the trash to remove the disk. There is also a support link to a ebox page on a secure site that won't let me go farther (I think I need a newer browser), so I can't find drivers.
My problem is that the icon doesn't show up and I can't find it in any applications I try. I know the Disney camera is a toy, its for my 5 year old, but I am having the identical problem with both the Disney camera and SanDisk.

Aperture 3 Backing Up Referenced Masters

I am trying to develop my workflow better.
I shoot images into the field and download them to my laptop. I then transfer them back to my iMac when I get home. I use Aperture 3 for my pictures.
In Aperture, I have all of my files referenced to a external drive. I want to back these photos up overnight using a Drobo or Synology NAS drive.
Does anyone have any experience on which would be better?
I could also implement a workflow in which the files will be referenced on the Drobo or NAS and then backed up overnight. I will be backing up the referenced just in case something were to happen to it.
Anyone have opinions on this?

Aperture 3 added a "Trash".
The deleted versions go into the trash, and you have to empty the trash to truly delete them. At this point it will ask if you want to delete the referenced masters as well.
As a pro, I'd rather not have a trash... But oh well, gotta appease the newbies.
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Vault + Time Machine w/ Referenced Masters

I know this general question has been asked several times, but I can't find a solution that matches my specific setup. I'm running Aperture off my MBP, so I have set up one external drive to hold my referenced masters. My internal drive has my aperture library with previews, etc. I also have one other external drive that is my dedicated Time Machine backup drive. How should I approach backing up? If I have Time Machine backup the aperture library and referenced masters, is there any advantage of adding a vault as well? Thanks for any help!

Gerry,
This ain't hard, just a bit complex.
To answer you first question: At this point, a Vault is of little value; Time Machine does everything you need and does it automagically. (Unless you leave Aperture running all of the time.) Time Machine is much better if you use referenced masters as the Vault does not back them up.
Time Machine is great as it creates images of your disk every hour - wonderful if you delete something by accident. People worry about filling their Time Machine disk. Don't. As long as your disk is large enough for one full back up the extra space only gets you time - that is you can go further back. For most of us, one month is all the history we will ever need. And when your disk fills, Time Machine diligently deletes the oldest data to assure that you always have a current backup. Nice.
A clone, on the other hand, is just that, an exact (usually bootable) copy of your disk. Normally, when you update a clone it adds what you have added but it also deletes what you have deleted. Delete something by mistake two days ago and last night's backup will delete it as well. On the other hand, have your Mac die (as mine did, 3,000 miles from the nearest Apple Store) and you can plug your clone into any other Mac and you are good to go. Slick.
Finally, off site is just that. What happens if your house burns or is robbed? You could lose your mac and all of your backups as well. There are many ways to do off site, from a hard disk that you sneaker net to your neighbor to a commercial service like Crashplan or Carbonite.
Hope this helps.

Aperture thinks a project has offline referenced masters - but it doesn't!

I've just been consolidating two Aperture libraries by exporting projects from one library and importing them into another. For the most part this has gone smoothly, but in one project all the images have the little badge with the red slash through it, to indicate that the referenced masters are offline.
But they're not! The project itself is 2.2 GB - so all the photos are actually in it - and when I click 'consolidate masters' for that project, Aperture tells me there are no referenced masters for this project. For every image that's missing a master (if that makes sense) there's a version that's NOT missing a master. So the data's there and I can work with the image - I'm just a bit worried about making radical moves without knowing exactly what's going on
I've tried deleting the project and reimporting it, but to no avail - also, when I delete the project, it tells me referenced masters are offline and can't be moved to the trash.

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Can't reconnect Missing Referenced Masters

I have a library which is a mixture of Managed and Referenced Masters. Library on SSD and Referenced Masters on HDD.
A very small number of Masters have gone AWOL and I can't reconnect them. Using Spotlight, I can locate the actual Masters with Finder - they are just where I expect them to be, in a subfolder in a Folder called "Aperture Masters" on my HDD.
Here is an example
The badge on this image looks like this
When I choose Update from Master, I get this message
So then I try to reconnect via "Locate Referenced Files..." and get this message
These images are findable by filtering on "Missing" or "Offline"
All but one have the badge with the arrow and the yellow triangle.
One has a badge like this (a kind of inverted MobileMe sourced badge
Any ideas on how to reconnect?

Interesting. The User Manual I was reading is a PDF and it defines the badge as this. Note that the badge is flipped in the two versions and the PDF doesn't mention FaceBook or Flickr.
Seems I should re-download the User Manual

Aperture 3 not deleting referenced masters

I have upgraded to Aperture 3 and unfortunately it does not delete the (newly imported) referenced master file.
Aperture 2 always asked whether I also wanted to delete the master or not, when deleting a version. Aperture 3 has not asked me this question yet. Is this by design or is something not working?
When a version is selected in an album and I select "File>Delete master and all versions" the versions are deleted, but when I go to the folder where the reference masters are located the file is still there. The files are in a folder on my Mac book pro.
Thanks for any thoughts/solutions

Aperture 3 added a "Trash".
The deleted versions go into the trash, and you have to empty the trash to truly delete them. At this point it will ask if you want to delete the referenced masters as well.
As a pro, I'd rather not have a trash... But oh well, gotta appease the newbies.
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Referenced masters: How can you tell where a photo's master is?

After reading many recommendations on this site, I have set up my main library on my internal HD with referenced masters on an external HD.
Now I need to import a job which I shot out of state and which was saved as a managed library on my MBP. So I copied it to an external drive and then Imported it into the main A3 library. That worked just fine but it seems like it copied all the masters as well as the versions from that new library into the main one.
Before I try to relocated them, how can I tell where the master for a particular photo is located?
Thank you very much.
Bo

Versions are always in the Library (they are text instructions saved to a file and applied on-the-fly to the Master in order to produce the image on screen (mostly)). Masters are either in the Library (in which case they are "Managed"), or not in the Library (in which case they are "Referenced"). The Library is a "package". A package is a container of files which shows as a single file to the user.
Badges tell you the status of the Master on which the Version is based. No badge = Managed. Referenced Masters show a badge. Off-line Referenced Masters show a modification of this badge. Versions with Missing Masters show yet another version of this badge.
Badges can be toggled to show or not via the Metadata Overlays. All seven of the Metadata Overlays can be customized.
Use the filter Rule "File Status" to filter for "Managed", "Referenced", "On-line", "Off-line", and "Missing".
If you want to move all Manage Masters to your external drive, in Photos view filter using the "File Status" Rule set to "Managed", then select all and "File→Relocate Master".

Can't import referenced masters into Library

I've used referenced masters for years, since Aperture 1. Now I'm trying to import, and I get the error "Insufficient disk space". Here are the details
OSX 10.7.5
Aperture 3.4.1 (Just updated)
Current RAW Folder                              110 GB
Current Aperture Library                         9.9GB
Free space on startup disk                    13.3 GB   (not a lot, I know)
Space required (according to aperture)     3 GB
Folder I'm trying to import                         19.4 GB
Camera Nikon D7000, files NEF format. No previous problem with this camera.
If 100GB can be represented by 9.9 GB in the Aperture library, why does it want 16.3 GB to import 19.4 GB?
I have "Store files in their current location" selected in the Import pane.

Gil I think there are a couple of basics you need to come to grips with.
Assuming your Aperture library is on your start up disk and that you only have 13GB free, DO NOT PLACE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS DRIVE, until you clear out some space adding more files to this drive is only asking for trouble.
So Aperture.
100GB is represented by 9.9GB, yes, Aperture has created previews of the referenced files and has a database to describe them = 9.9GB, 100GB of master files/images still reside on the other drive though.
The folder of files you are trying to import, 19.4 GB, you say you are now using a managed file workflow, that being the case Aperture now copies the files into the library, so there is no way that 19.4GB will fit into 13.3GB, plus there will then be an additional 1-2GB, based on 110GB=9GB, of space required by Aperture.
I hope this makes sense.
Moving forward, get youself two external drives, have you library, managed or not, along with any referenced files on one drive, the other drive use for your back up.
Tony

Using the same Referenced Masters across Multiple External Hard Drives?

I have a large (2TB) desktop external hard drive that I am now using as the source of my referenced masters for Aperture.
I would like to copy this reference library ("My Photo Library") to a small, mobile external hard drive to use "on-the-go". But, if possible, I'd like to continue using the desktop external when I'm at home.
What's the best way to do this? Should I just copy "My Photo Library" from the desktop external drive to the mobile external and Relocate Masters? But then, how do I switch back to using the desktop drive when I'm home without having to Relocate Masters every time (my library is quite large: 17K+ photos of 8-21MB each). Is there a way to "trick" Aperture into thinking that both drives are the same drive???

Computer:
5" Mac Book Pro OSX (10.4.11) 2.2
Drives:
1x WD Studio Edition - 750 GB (Firewire 800)
1x LaCie - 750GB (USB)
Final Cut Express HD 3.5.1
(My minimal memory allowance is set to 3000MB)
(No external editors set)
HDV-Apple Intermediate Codec 1080i50
HDVFireWirePAL
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Camera - HVR-V1 connected with firewire
MiniDV Tapes, Mix of Sony & Panasonic (DVM60) - i know this is not advised, but i was in kenya, so getting the right tapes was not easy!
Is that everything? Is there any other information you need?
I have been working with Final Cut express while it has been installed on my WD hard Drive.
I have been capturing and editing my film through the WD hard drive very happily up until now, but now it is full with 10 of the tapes (and the application), and so I am now wanting to save the rest of my tapes on the LaCie.

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